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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Keeping other stuff with addresses (was: What is an N-bit machine?) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 20:28:51 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 29 Message-ID: <20241130202851.00005eca@yahoo.com> References: <memo.20241128153105.12904U@jgd.cix.co.uk> <20241128185548.000031c9@yahoo.com> <vidtpt$pon$1@gal.iecc.com> <2024Nov30.072829@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <2024Nov30.123536@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vieuks$1n5ve$1@dont-email.me> <2024Nov30.175756@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <20241130193206.00005c49@yahoo.com> <2024Nov30.190858@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 19:28:57 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="50086155b7b9a9319623e2a87e2f2f0f"; logging-data="1939611"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18IozbLj6woJexLymhpVfWRMKO0mTG99zo=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:uFe7Dq0+z82hSs/ck6o2Kc6rL00= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 4.1.1 (GTK 3.24.34; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Bytes: 2501 On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 18:08:58 GMT anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) wrote: > Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes: > >On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 16:57:56 GMT > >anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) wrote: > > > >> Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> writes: > >> >Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> schrieb: > >> >> anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) writes: > >> >>>John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes: > >> >>>>These days I'd say the relevant N is the size of arithmetic > >> >>>>registers but a lot of marketers appear to disagree with me. > >> >>>> > ... > >John Levine said "arythmetic". Not logic, not move, not swizzle, not > >load/store. The widest arythmetic on Intel/AMD is 64 bits for inputs > >and 128 bits for output (integer multiplication). > > The widest arithmetic registers on AMD64 with AVX-512 are the ZMM > registers with 512 bits each. Sure, they are used for arithmetic on a > sequence of individually narrower data, but the registers have 512 > bits nonetheless. > > - anton 8x64 is not the same as 512. You don't call 2-way superscalar 64-bit CPU 128-bit.