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From: Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15paH6YGT?= <noc@inter-corporate.com>
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Subject: Usenet (was: Re: Royal Back of Canada Phish coming from Google
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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 15:17:40 -0800
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On 9 Dec 2024 23:17:49 -0000
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

> Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15paH6YGT?=  <noc@inter-corporate.com> wrote:
> >Or is there something I'm missing here?  Do you think an
> >eMail provider such as Google GMail should be held
> >responsible for the actions of their users?  Perhaps the
> >problem is that user accounts of scammers are not being
> >shut down?  (If so, then I wonder if perhaps that could
> >make them liable as ongoing facilitators.)
> 
> It is expected that any provider would make basic attempts to prevent
> spam.  That includes shutting down the accounts of users who have 
> engendered spam complaints, as well as throttling email or shutting
> down accounts when obvious spam signatures are found.  If someone is
> sending thousands of messages a day to consecutive addresses, it is
> worth investigating them to see if they are spamming.

I believe that this is a reasonable expectation.  It's a problem
when the internet provider is also the spammer, but I don't have
any reason to suspect that Google is in the spam business -- at
their stature I suspect that they wouldn't even want to risk it.

> gmail actually does an okay job of this but a lot of them fall through
> the cracks just because of the number of users they have.  And Google
> Groups, although it no longer can be used to spam Usenet, can be set up
> with distribution mailing lists to send spam and Google completely
> ignores those.

More users typically also means more variety, so this makes sense.

I was disappointed when Google shutdown their Usenet connection,
because it meant that fewer people would be using it.  I think
they wanted to divorce themselves of the headache though, and I
don't blame them for this because the vast majority of postings I
see in the more popular newsgroups are spam and/or hostile trolls.
who've essentially ruined the technology for most people.

NNTP does need updating, of course, but most people have moved on
to web-baseed forums and social media instead, which all seem to
have the same problems with spammers, scammers, and angry trolls,
so it's clearly more of a social problem than a technical one.

-- 
Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - noc@inter-corporate.com
Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
https://www.inter-corporate.com/