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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Chipsandcheese article on the CDC6600 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2024 16:33:28 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien Lines: 29 Message-ID: <2024Jul22.183328@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> References: <v7fss8$3f712$1@dont-email.me> <v7fuqu$3fg81$2@dont-email.me> <2k3q9j1lqngjsfmts49q6l3825nipf91rq@4ax.com> <v7k0gm$8pms$13@dont-email.me> <a11cff7fe912529a0a7962163afe43d8@www.novabbs.org> <v7k7ok$a7tn$5@dont-email.me> <lg6gtgFlcf1U1@mid.individual.net> <20240722130827.00004fea@yahoo.com> <2024Jul22.145235@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <CCunO.76231$oGQf.17922@fx10.iad> Injection-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2024 18:40:36 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6d4d8ad3d9aaace8f70489062bf437eb"; logging-data="773181"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18tsAP49rnv5Wn+Sh6d9xAe" Cancel-Lock: sha1:cvx21ueA2Oz5GfIj+k4USqkUzEQ= X-newsreader: xrn 10.11 Bytes: 2618 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) writes: >>However, the main reason why reservation stations won is because >>hardware branch prediction outpaced compiler branch prediction since >>the early 1990s*, and because the reorder buffer was invented, neither >>of which is due to anything done in any S/360 model or the CDC 6600). > >FWIW, The burroughs medium systems had hardware branch >prediction circa 1979. It had some warts, however, >when used in SMP configurations. > >Basically, the hardware would modify the branch opcode in >memory after every branch to track the last two taken/not-taken >states. That sounds like the two-bit scheme that early conditional branch predictors used, but inlined in the instructions and thus architecturally visible (whereas branch prediction is normally microarchitecture, i.e., architecturally invisible). These two-bit schemes were about as good as the better compiler-based schemes (IIRC 10% mispredictions on typical integer code). It was branch prediction schemes with global history tables etc. that made hardware branch prediction much more accurate and meant that OoO execution outperformed EPIC. - anton -- 'Anyone trying for "industrial quality" ISA should avoid undefined behavior.' Mitch Alsup, <c17fcd89-f024-40e7-a594-88a85ac10d20o@googlegroups.com>