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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Qualcomm's Oryon boasts hardware "side-channel mitigations" Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 17:16:25 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien Lines: 26 Message-ID: <2024Jun14.191625@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> References: <2024Jun14.174602@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <oXZaO.34575$7NFd.23381@fx16.iad> Injection-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 19:18:32 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7014905415107e064baa976ca2273656"; logging-data="3098024"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+F+M+dKI9braBspVIH9mn5" Cancel-Lock: sha1:fY7kxiKqMjaolEPWlzJOyknVq8s= X-newsreader: xrn 10.11 Bytes: 2067 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes: >anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) writes: >>https://images.anandtech.com/doci/21445/SDX_CPU_GPU%20Architecture%20Overview_15.jpg >> >>Unfortunately, they don't describe what they do, and "mitigation" has >>a weaker sound than "fix" to me, but maybe they mean a proper hardware >>fix. That would be the best case. The worst case would be that they >>just have added instructions or a special mode for disabling >>speculation. > >The Aarch64 architecture includes pointer auth, branch target ID, >Speculation barrier instructions, architectural features to prevent >exploitation of branch history buffers, and a few other features >intended to address many of the speculation related attacks. > >I suspect that covers most of Qualcomms 'side-channel mitigations'. That would be the worst case, then. I hope that at some point (Hot Chips?) they will be more concrete about what's behind their claims. - anton -- 'Anyone trying for "industrial quality" ISA should avoid undefined behavior.' Mitch Alsup, <c17fcd89-f024-40e7-a594-88a85ac10d20o@googlegroups.com>