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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 08:03:00 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 25 Message-ID: <20250213080300.00001d26@gmail.com> References: <vkjmdg$30kff$1@dont-email.me> <c686fb74-4fac-0809-7005-417c76ee0e3b@example.net> <nbReP.633803$oR74.271654@fx16.iad> <NnVeP.44028$vfee.11890@fx45.iad> <vo6ubb$3ue2q$2@dont-email.me> <RhOdnY5Kb8vulDr6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vo7lp6$25uo$2@dont-email.me> <655acbf6-05e5-69ff-8a44-9f7075aafa2e@example.net> <ddNpP.567620$iNI.244105@fx14.iad> <m0pqs3ForauU2@mid.individual.net> <g9qcnUmy1pxdrTX6nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <m0r59mFrbnU1@mid.individual.net> <yn0qP.587031$iNI.359829@fx14.iad> <VtWdnaJY5fz99zT6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@earthlink.com> <20250210093054.00001375@gmail.com> <vofgo6$1p8fn$1@dont-email.me> <KwSdnd_yRPwhvjH6nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@earthlink.com> <20250212081704.00003ce1@gmail.com> <slrnvqq09r.38buj.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> <DKOcnSWcJP6OgTD6nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <20250212145430.00001040@gmail.com> <vojqqp$2klsq$2@dont-email.me> <6fqdnVeJects6jD6nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@earthlink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 17:03:04 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="24704e308c6098bc3c3df94bf98cfc0e"; logging-data="3118761"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/SU2MQS7jt5X3YBDoRFxDwnLyvT2+Rrms=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:jMaHzOA31zrV65pxtCm54bh1Cxo= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 4.3.0 (GTK 3.24.42; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Bytes: 3262 On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 23:41:23 -0500 "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> wrote: > As for including type info - limits and more - the effective overhead > in these days of gigabit flow and GHz multicore chips is negligible. > As such I'd say to include it one way or another. Again, if you want to argue for the safety of enforced bounds-checking being worth the trade-off in performance, I'm willing to entertain that argument, even if I only situationally agree. Lots of languages have chosen to make that trade, and more power to 'em. But what remains absolutely - and, AFAIK, uniquely - *demented* is for a language to specify that *two arrays of different sizes are different types of entity,* even if their elements are identically-typed. There is *no* reason that I can see to do this. A language that forgoes bounds-checking entirely gains some performance, at the cost of safety; a language that includes bounds info as part of the array's structure gains safety and convenience at the cost of some performance. Pascal, on the other hand, gets no performance advantage, while burdening the programmer with all the bookkeeping that is *necessary* for safety in languages like C, even though it keeps all the information needed to provide a less burdensome, more convenient alternative. Truly deranged.