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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Date: Sun, 18 May 2025 18:23:03 +0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: <20250518182303.00003542@yahoo.com> References: <100apst$hsll$1@dont-email.me> <afa210f16ab3d6795c61787ad914e7ba@www.novabbs.org> <100bs7t$rna2$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 18 May 2025 17:23:03 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ae345dd14b1daefc16ed5adef764229d"; logging-data="1018689"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19PzN6igwemK6OBycGPXf9ZZ2nOG2EpbLc=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:POn3XcQ0Eew+T6cskJ4lS+eh7bA= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-w64-mingw32) Bytes: 2906 On Sun, 18 May 2025 05:46:37 -0000 (UTC) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote: > MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> schrieb: > > Did the book relate the story of why CRAY-1 presented a DC-load to > > the power supply:: that is, the ECL gates were all of the form where > > they would switch 20 ma into either the true or the complement out- > > put and thus have no AC energy at the power supply level ?? > > That they didn't mention. They stressed his decision to build > a machine which had good all-round performance, unlike the > predecessors like the STAR or the Texas Instruments ASC (which I > had never heard or read of). > May be, that aspect of CRAY-1 was different from STAR and ASC, but not different from CDC 6600 or 7600 or from top models of Cyber-170 series. > There was one part on the Cray-I design that I found weird. After > writing that individual transistors would have been faster than > integrated circuits, but were chosen for density and manufacture, > they wrote > That part sounds correct. Logic ICs used in Cray-1 were indeed slower than contemporary individual transistors. > "Concerning memory, as in the case of the CPU, Cray did not > choose the fastest individual components, which would have > been magnetic cores" due to their limitations in size. > That part does not sound right. CRAY-1 main memory was made of SRAM with 48 ns access time. That was 4-5 times faster than contemporary core memories. Plus, it didn't suffer from destructive read. One part that is true is that faster and less dense memory components were available, but they were SRAM as well. > What they also describe well is the tradeoff between different > vector lengths. Also very interesting is the mechanisms of getting > the machines adopted by different industries.