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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: The Seymour Cray Era of Supercomputers Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 16:35:37 +0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: <20250519163537.00005e7c@yahoo.com> References: <100apst$hsll$1@dont-email.me> <afa210f16ab3d6795c61787ad914e7ba@www.novabbs.org> <20250518113330.00003889@yahoo.com> <5e2ce293484d3e69e84c6d84d687a271@www.novabbs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 15:35:38 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3c2829104300ecb3f06ff9a12e0597b4"; logging-data="1731637"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19TDepLDSfC+lAmrP30pgMqDJ/LLf9mU6w=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:FtFCId3PsOCflXgKTy8cSJ+qme8= X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.19.1 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-w64-mingw32) On Sun, 18 May 2025 22:01:19 +0000 mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) wrote: > On Sun, 18 May 2025 8:33:30 +0000, Michael S wrote: > > > On Sat, 17 May 2025 21:27:04 +0000 > > mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) wrote: > > > >> Did the book relate the story of why CRAY-1 presented a DC-load to > >> the power supply:: that is, the ECL gates were all of the form > >> where they would switch 20 ma into either the true or the > >> complement out- put and thus have no AC energy at the power supply > >> level ?? > >> > >> During the CDC 7600 reign, when performing vector calculations, > >> (even though CDC 7600 was not a vector machine, it could stream > >> calculations through its execution window at impressive rates); > >> Certain data bit-patterns in CDC 7600 would cause more Gnd bounce > >> and Vdd drop than the gates cols accommodate and the machine would > >> take a data-dependent hard crash. > >> > > > > Which voltage, current and frequency are we talking about? > > Vdd and Gnd which fed the integrated logic gates. > My question was about absolute numbers. Volts, amperes, nanoseconds. > > > >> So, Cray got rid of the problem by presenting a DC-load to the > >> power supply.