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From: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
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Subject: Re: Why VAX Was the Ultimate CISC and Not RISC
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2025 17:59:51 GMT
Organization: Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
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anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) writes:
>If you sent, e.g., me and the needed documents back in
>time to the start of the VAX project, and gave me a magic wand that
>would convince the DEC management and workforce that I know how to
>design their next architecture, and how to compiler for it, I would
>give the implementation team RV32GC as architecture to implement, and
>that they should use pipelining for that, and of course also give that
>to the software people.

There was also the question of PDP-11 compatibility.  I would solve
that by adding a PDP-11 decoder that produces RV32G instructions (or
maybe the microcode that the RV32G decoder produces).  Low-end models
may get a dynamic binary translator instead.

>OTOH, DEC had great success with the VAX for a while, and their demise
>may have been unavoidable given their market position: Their customers
>(especially the business customers of VAXen) went to them instead of
>IBM, because they wanted something less costly, and they continued
>onwards to PCs running Linux when they provided something less costly.
>So DEC would also have needed to outcompete Intel and the PC market to
>succeed (and IBM eventually got out of that market).

OTOH, HP was also a big player in the mini and later workstation
market, and they managed to survive, albeit by eventually splitting
themselves into HPE for the big iron, and the other part for the PCs
and printers.  But it may be the exception that proves the rule.

- anton
-- 
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