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From: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
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Subject: Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes"
Date: Thu, 29 May 2025 08:24:52 GMT
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Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> writes:
>anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) writes:
>> My phone is from 2009.  Nobody forces me to abandon it.  What chance
>> are you not given.
>
>You can't use a 2009 phone in the US.  All the 2G and 3G networks are
>shut down.

According to <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G#Past_2G_networks>,
T-Mobile commenced the shutdown of 2G on 9 Feb 2025, so you certainly
could use a 2009-vintage phone until then.  Unfortunately, I don't see
a list of present 2G providers; you might be able to continue to use a
2009-vintage phone by switching providers.  Looking further around, I
read that some people think that T-Mobile was the last 2G provider in
the USA.

Anyway, 2G is alive and well around here (Austria).  3G is a different
story, though.  Another reason not to get something newer before I
have to.

>For servers you can run pretty much the same software as before, but on
>the client side you have to use web browsers to get by in today's world,
>and those browsers have to run awful bloaty Javascript monstrosities
>that are on everyone's web sites now.

On my laptop I have a web browser running that has JavaScript enabled,
with hundreds of open tabs.  On this laptop currently 11GB of ram are
used.  I am sure it could run in 8GB using some swap space (and maybe
closing some tabs); my system from 2008 could accomodate at least 8GB
of RAM. probably 16GB; my system from 2015 could accomodate at least
64GB RAM, probably 128GB.

On my desktop I have JavaScript disabled.  There are lots of websites
the work fine without JavaScript.  And many of those that don't work
fine without JavaScript are a disappointment with JavaScript, too.

>I think my laptop in 2005 was a Pentium 3 with 512MB of ram.
>It would be almost unusable now.

The Pentium 3 was introduced in 1999, with new models introduced up to
2003.  As for using it, you might look at
<https://medium.com/@techrefreshing02/low-on-ram-try-these-5-lightweight-linux-distros-under-512mb-55e689ada854>

- anton
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