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From: -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
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Subject: Re: What is going on with 2024 the SCCBC season?
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 08:56:48 +0100
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Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/17/2024 9:09 PM, -hh wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-16 07:08, -hh wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Saturday we leave for Vancouver on Air Canada. Looking forward to
>>>>>>>> that too. Flying is flying. :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That you are "looking forward" to "flying" as a passenger in what is
>>>>>>> about the same comfort as a bus says everything I need to know about
>>>>>>> your taste.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> LOL! A bus does not fly and travels at about 10% of the speed of a
>>>>>> commercial jet. Not comparable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Fun fact:  a bus on a highway is moving a lot closer to a Cessna's
>>>>> cruise speed than a Cessna is to a commercial jet, which makes the bus
>>>>> must *more* comparable to the Cessna.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Similarly, the windows on a bus & Cessna are much larger than a 737
>>>>> jet's "porthole", & have more forward views.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> What would you take on a long trip that is more comfortable than an
>>>>>> aircraft? Car? Bus? Train? Motorcycle? I suppose a ship could be, but
>>>>>> very slow.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm reminded of and joke that some of my former military (and later 747)
>>>>> pilot friends have told me:
>>>>> 
>>>>> One day, a fighter jock pulls up next to a 747 to have a chat.  He
>>>>> proceeds with a "watch this!", showing the 747 a loop, barrel roll, etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then the 747 pilot responds with his own "watch this".
>>>>> 
>>>>> Time passes as the jock just is watching the 747 cruising along straight
>>>>> & level.  After 15 minutes, the 747 pilot comes back on the radio and
>>>>> says "well how did you like that?".
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jock replies:  "how did I like .. what?"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 747 pilot explains: "Well, I switched to auto-pilot, then got up and
>>>>> went to the bathroom.  Then I stopped & brewed a fresh cup of coffee and
>>>>> had that while I stretched my legs..."  :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Remind us how long the corridor is in a Cessna, Tommy. Oh, and headroom
>>>>> to stand up in the cabin too.
>>>> 
>>>> The amazing part for me was Tommie suggesting that flying in economy on
>>>> an airliner was somehow something to be looked forward to...
>>>> 
>>>> ...for the FLYING ITSELF!
>>> 
>>> If that really is the case, then he’d better never ever choose an aisle
>>> seat ;-P
>> 
>> Oh, and one more thing:
>> 
>> Fun fact:  the cruising velocity of a cruise ship is closer to that of a
>> Cessna than a Cessna’s velocity is to a commercial jet (eg 737).
>> 
>> And yes, a cruise will take longer to go the same distance (of course), but
>> it’s not only more comfortable, but the food is much better (& there’s a
>> private bath)…and no layovers at Denver or Chicago while en route.
>> 
>> IIRC, the longest cruise we’ve taken to date was a bit over 2500 miles.
>> 
>> -hh
> 
> OK, checking Expedia for a cruise from Carmel to Luddington MI. Website 
> can't find that, or a direct commercial airline itinerary either.

IND-ORD-MDL exists, and is on paper faster than driving the 300 miles.

> Indy International to Muskegon/return is about $600 each on our travel 
> dates and the scheduled trip time alone is about 7-12 hours on the 
> flight schedule via ORD plus the drive to Ludington and having to be at 
> the airport 1-2 hours ahead each way. 

I’m finding cheap midweeks on Google Flights at $276/pp-RT, so half of the
above.

> It's a 2.5 hour Cessna flight with 
> about an hour each way to get to the airport, load up and get airborne. 

So that’s 3.5 hours minimum…plus the destination side too, for its
transportation arrangements (& costs if renting, Uber, etc).

> The aircraft will cost about $650 to rent, about half airfare. A 
> variable is weather, but with my IFR rating I can very likely work 
> around that. The airlines are hardly 100% reliable either.

Yet driving is <5hrs, and has no meaningful VFR/IFR concerns.
Plus one has ‘free’ transportation included at the destination too.  

For costs, at a fully burdened $0.50/mi rate, taking one’s POV is $300 RT =
half the cost of renting a Cessna…and unburdened, it’s just 20 gallons of
gas for 600 miles at 30mpg, or ~$75.

> Our Santiago to Fort Lauderdale trip was about 4,800 miles, and the food 
> was excellent. Stops were OK, but the Canal was the highlight.

Food is reliably good on cruises…better than airline food, even up in First
Class seats.  Even a car based road trip can do better at times, especially
when one plans ahead.

-hh