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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject: Re: ChatGPT refutes the key rebuttal of my work
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 14:49:41 -0400
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On 10/13/24 9:28 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 10/13/2024 8:19 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 10/13/24 8:53 AM, olcott wrote:
>>> Although it is possible for LLM systems to lie:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence)
>>>
>>> ChatGPT does correctly apply truth preserving operations to
>>> the premises that it was provided regarding the behavior of
>>> DDD and HHH. *Try to find a mistake in its reasoning*
>>>
>>> *The key premises are simply*
>>> (a) the source code for DDD
>>
>> WHich isn't the source code for the PROGRAM DDD
>>
>> Try to run that program just by itself.
>>
>> It won't work, you need to include HHH (and everything it calls) so 
>> that the "source code" for DDD needs to include the definition of all 
>> of that.
>>
>> Sorry, you are just proving you don't understand what you are talking 
>> about.
>>
>>>
>>> void DDD()
>>> {
>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>    return;
>>> }
>>>
>>> (b) The design of HHH as a simulating termination analyzer.
>>
>> Which gets the wrong answer.
>>
>>>
>>> https://chatgpt.com/share/6709e046-4794-8011-98b7-27066fb49f3e
>>> Click on the above link to directly talk to ChatGPT about HHH
>>> and DDD without logging in.
>>>
>>> When you click on the link and try to explain how HHH must
>>> be wrong when it reports that DDD does not terminate because
>>> DDD does terminate it will explain your mistake to you.
>>>
>>
>> You have taught Chat GPT this error as shown in this statement:
>>
> 
> I have only provided the source-code for DDD and the design of HHH.
> You have not shown how any details of exactly what I told ChatGPT
> are incorrect.
> 
> 

You mean like this statement:

The termination analyzer HHH is designed to detect non-terminating 
behavior. When HHH simulates DDD and sees this pattern of infinite 
recursive calls, it identifies that DDD will not terminate on its own.


But DDD does terminate on its own, as its copy of HHH, which is part of 
it, will abort it simulation of its input, since that is what you have 
shown its behavior to be, and thus DDD will return ON ITS OWN.

You need to have LIED to Chat GPT that somehow the HHH that DDD calls is 
NOT part of the progra\m DDD, which means you are violated the 
DEFINITIONS of the field.

I guess you are just admittting you are so stupid that you don't even 
understand what a PROGRAM is.

You seem to have just "forgotten" to define what the input to a 
termination analyser is, this is, that is it a description in some 
manner, of a PROGRAM, and that a PROGRAM includes all the code that the 
program uses.

In simpler words, your problem statement BEGINS with a category error, 
in that HHH is supposed to be given a program as its input, but it isn't.

That just shows you don't understand what you are talking about.