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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: How a True(X) predicate can be defined for the set of analytic knowledge Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 21:58:07 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <27033d4449296dac8c675e73ba2811bdd14385c7@i2pn2.org> References: <vrfvbd$256og$2@dont-email.me> <vrj9lu$1791p$1@dont-email.me> <vrjn82$1ilbe$2@dont-email.me> <vrmpc1$bnp3$1@dont-email.me> <vrmteo$cvat$6@dont-email.me> <vru000$33rof$1@dont-email.me> <vrug71$3gia2$6@dont-email.me> <0306c3c2d4a6d05a8bb7441c0b23d325aeac3d7b@i2pn2.org> <vrvnvv$ke3p$1@dont-email.me> <vs0egm$1cl6q$1@dont-email.me> <vs1f7j$296sp$2@dont-email.me> <vs3ad6$2o1a$1@dont-email.me> <vs4sjd$1c1ja$8@dont-email.me> <vs63o2$2nal3$1@dont-email.me> <vs6v2l$39556$17@dont-email.me> <vs8hia$13iam$1@dont-email.me> <vs8uoq$1fccq$2@dont-email.me> <vsb4in$14lqk$1@dont-email.me> <vsb9d5$19ka5$1@dont-email.me> <04aa9edbe77f4e701297d873264511f820d85526@i2pn2.org> <vsbu9j$1vihj$1@dont-email.me> <vsdlso$3shbn$2@dont-email.me> <vsen5l$th5g$5@dont-email.me> <vsg1b2$2ed9k$1@dont-email.me> <vsh9c9$3mdkb$2@dont-email.me> <vsj073$1g8q1$1@dont-email.me> <vsjn4k$26s7s$3@dont-email.me> <80b5a3b38362ba5fd57348f78fbdc0d3b5f1c167@i2pn2.org> <vskoh1$378kj$5@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 02:27:16 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2894062"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vskoh1$378kj$5@dont-email.me> On 4/2/25 9:33 PM, olcott wrote: > On 4/2/2025 5:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 4/2/25 12:03 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 4/2/2025 4:32 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2025-04-01 17:56:25 +0000, olcott said: >>>> >>>>> On 4/1/2025 1:33 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>> On 2025-03-31 18:33:26 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anything the contradicts basic facts or expressions >>>>>>> semantically entailed from these basic facts is proven >>>>>>> false. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anything that follows from true sentences by a truth preserving >>>>>> transformations is true. If you can prove that a true sentence >>>>>> is false your system is unsound. >>>>> >>>>> Ah so we finally agree on something. >>>>> What about the "proof" that detecting inconsistent >>>>> axioms is impossible? (I thought that I remebered this). >>>> >>>> A method that can always determine whether a set of axioms is >>>> inconsistent >>>> does not exist. However, there are methods that can correctly determine >>>> about some axiom systems that they are inconsistent and fail on others. >>>> >>>> The proof is just another proof that some function is not Turing >>>> computable. >>>> >>> >>> A finite set of axioms would seem to always be verifiable >>> as consistent or inconsistent. This may be the same for >>> a finite list of axiom schemas. >>> >> >> Think of how many statements can be constructed from a finite alphabet >> of letters. >> >> Can you "test" every statement to see if it is consistant? >> > > Is "LKNSDFKLWRLKLKNKUKQWEEYIYWQFGFGH" consistent or inconsistent? > Try to come up with a better counter-example. It depends on what each of those letters mean. You should know better than that, but you don't, because you really are too stupid. > >> Sorry, you are just showing how limited your thinking ability actually >> is. >> >> That fact that YOU can't imagine the problem, doesn't mean it can be >> there. > >