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Path: ...!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++ Subject: Re: We have a new standard! Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 22:33:05 +0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Message-ID: <286e624077a9eb5d5bed0883c078e6c7e5277435.camel@gmail.com> References: <C++-20241227154547@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <cone.1735354270.316807.177566.1000@ripper.email-scan.com> <vkojb7$96o6$1@dont-email.me> <vkpelh$c5a1$1@dont-email.me> <vkr5ka$sp2b$1@dont-email.me> <cone.1735480216.541864.207895.1000@ripper.email-scan.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 15:33:07 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5691afbc2ebc25be113013219914a247"; logging-data="1079830"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1//U7DzAw70QNHYxKkBw6zz" User-Agent: Evolution 3.54.2 (3.54.2-1.fc41) Cancel-Lock: sha1:i5LOr2D3ImJwfRcqBzF69Nzx2kQ= In-Reply-To: <cone.1735480216.541864.207895.1000@ripper.email-scan.com> Bytes: 2591 On Sun, 2024-12-29 at 08:50 -0500, Sam wrote: > Muttley@dastardlyhq.com=C2=A0writes: >=20 > > On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 13:05:37 -0500 > > Phillip <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com> gabbled: > > > I'm still on C++98 and C++03. Everything beyond that is just bloat to= me. ;-) > >=20 > > I would say that C++ 11 did improve things particularly wrt the STL and > > possibly 2014 was the high point. Beyond that its been as you say point= less > > bloat that achieves nothing. >=20 > I would say that C++17 was also an incremental improvement. >=20 > But C++20 jumped the shark, when the standardization process was hijacked= by=C2=A0=20 > Microsoft in order to cram coroutines into the language, which noone want= ed,=C2=A0=20 > cared, or asked for, simply because the standard threading model in Windo= ws=C2=A0=20 > blows chunks, performance wise, and Microsoft desperately needed a=C2=A0= =20 > multithreading model that did not suck. >=20 > And things went downhill from that point on=E2=80=A6 >=20 Basically,=C2=A0c++ standard or standardization is political. There are lot= s of=20 standard committee members' 'old software' to maintain. There is nothing wr= ong with that. The wrong thing is regarding it as better new technology, especi= ally when libwy is more advanced (idea) than c++standard library by one generati= on.