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From: jerry.friedman99@gmail.com (jerryfriedman)
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Subject: Re: Morning bells are ringing,. Ding-dang-dong, ding-dang-dong.
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n Fri, 22 Nov 2024 7:09:13 +0000, occam wrote:

> On 08/11/2024 19:52, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
>>
>>  Ar an t-ochtú lá de mí na Samhain, scríobh HenHanna:
>>
>>  > Are you sleeping?
>>  > Are you sleeping?
>>  > Brother John
>>  > Brother John
>>  > Morning bells are ringing
>>  > Morning bells are ringing
>>  > Ding, ding, dong
>>  > Ding, ding, dong
>>
>> Huh, I’d forgotten there were English words to « Frère Jacques ».
>>
>
> Yes, as there are translations in many other languages.
>
> None of them start with 'are you sleeping?'. Your erratic source has the
> third and fourth lines transposed with the first two lines. You can put
> that down to the fact that the clucking Hen is a bit of a ding-dong
> himself. (Hint, the song is called "Frère Jacques".)

Another hint: The top priority in song lyrics is to
fit the tune, and the version above does.  Your suggestion
doesn't.

Also, "Jacques" is a cognate of "Jacob" and "James",
not "John".  But "John" sounds better.

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Jerry Friedman

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