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RonB wrote:
> On 2024-06-06, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-06-06 9:39 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-06, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-06 8:21 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-06-06, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-06-05 9:44 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-06-05, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Since I'm such a terrible shill and stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS25mCLyQyk>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have NOT had a stable Linux experience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/rVmJooy5NiU?si=2D0FfhbhrXMFRwvP>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks like the Linux community charmed Linus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/fJB9fdXWiiw?si=0-JlvJROJyfG2hNF>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks like this guy has a lot of problems with Linux. He also looks to be a
>>>>>>> game player. Maybe he should stick with Windows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have problems with Linux stability (and haven't had any stability
>>>>>>> problems for about 18 years). If I did I wouldn't still be using Linux. But
>>>>>>> I don't play Windows video games, so that might be the key to his (and your)
>>>>>>> Linux issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He's a professional, gaming is but one of the things he does. The
>>>>>> reality here is that if you're looking to do more than just go on the
>>>>>> web, write texts and send e-mails, Linux is just not an appropriate
>>>>>> machine. He keeps giving it a shot and getting disappointed at how bad
>>>>>> it is for everything else. However, he thought he might be biased so he
>>>>>> asked his kids to use it instead. They too can't stand it. Imagine being
>>>>>> a kid and being open to just about anything that's put in front of you
>>>>>> but even you, with an age that hasn't even reached the double digits,
>>>>>> think that Linux is lacking. As sad as this is, if you value your time
>>>>>> at all, there are but two options: Windows or Mac, same as in the 90s. A
>>>>>> friend of mine recently moved from Windows to the Mac and considers the
>>>>>> Mac Mini the best desktop he's ever owned. He tried Linux several times
>>>>>> before but came to the same conclusion as I have: it's not ready, won't
>>>>>> be ready, and isn't worth the trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. He's ONE person. He's taking a Linux "challenge." Obviously that
>>>>> means he's not used to using Linux. He's just one voice among thousands, but
>>>>> he happens to agree with your current position on Linux. Many people use
>>>>> Linux for all kinds of projects. You have a tendency to generalize, assuming
>>>>> you know what you don't know about why and how people use Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for his kids, they want to play MineCraft with him and apparently they
>>>>> can't play MineCraft Dungeons (whatever that is). So, yeah, his kids are
>>>>> thwarted in what they currently want to use their computers to do. That
>>>>> means basically NOTHING about Linux and what can be done with it. And, as
>>>>> I've said (now countless times), if you want to play Windows games, Linux is
>>>>> not your best platform.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you search long enough you're always going to find disgruntled people
>>>>> whining about something — and you happen to be searching for disgruntled
>>>>> people whining about Linux, so you've found one. Congratulations, you can
>>>>> use an Internet search engine. Now search for people who love Linux and have
>>>>> used it for years to balance things out. You'll find plenty of those people
>>>>> as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you're frustrated because you want to use Linux because of the BS
>>>>> Microsoft is doing with Windows — but you're just going to have accept that
>>>>> Windows is a better platform for Windows video games. That doesn't mean
>>>>> Linux is not a good OS, it's just got the odds stacked against for playing
>>>>> these *WINDOWS* games.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for valuing my time, Updating Windows 10 just two times probably takes as
>>>>> much time as updating Linux for a couple years. I've used Windows, and I own
>>>>> a couple Macs. I don't like or use either of those OSes. I like Linux
>>>>> because it's superior and makes more sense. (But it's not superior for
>>>>> playing Windows games or running bloated Microcrap Office — so if that's
>>>>> important to a user, they're probably better off using Windows.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck with whatever direction you go. You'll have no luck convincing me
>>>>> that Windows or Mac OS is better than Linux — no matter how many so-called
>>>>> YouTube "experts" you trot out.
>>>>
>>>> Out of respect for you, I'm choosing not to answer each point
>>>> individually. I cite Linus merely because his interests in computing are
>>>> similar to mine. Like me, he does not want to be limited by the hardware
>>>> he buys and he doesn't want to be mocked when he finds a problem with
>>>> software. Unfortunately for both of us, Linux is definitely not
>>>> something which can deliver. He and I both love the idea of it, but
>>>> can't stand the final product. I'm sure Communists were just as
>>>> disappointed that the ideology they were theoretically in agreement with
>>>> ended up causing them to starve and lose their individual rights.
>>>
>>> Okay. I'm the opposite. I think I would quit using computers altogether if I
>>> had to use Windows. Since Mac OSX at least has a UNIX base, I might be able
>>> to stomach it, but what I've seen of it so far I'm not crazy about it.
>>>
>>> Fortunately I don't have to use Windows or a Mac. I get to use Linux. Linux
>>> "delivers" fine for me.
>>
>> For what it's worth, the fact that I had to change the keyboard on this
>> particular laptop and got the computer back with a defective fingerprint
>> sensor is enough for me to consider the Mac very strongly when it will
>> be time to upgrade. Even the best hardware manufacturers seem to have
>> trouble making a machine that can withstand two years of use (three
>> now). The fact that I get a $150 rebate on a Mac simply because I'm a
>> teacher might be enough to seal the deal for me. Still, for all of the
>> problems with Windows, I see very few issues with 11. It is, for me, the
>> best they have made so far. It's easy to get attached to it despite the
>> serious privacy concerns.
> 
> The ads and spyware would keep me away from Windows 11, if nothing else. I
> like the quality of my Latitude E7450 but the newer Ultrabooks (I believe)
> are built like the Macs, with soldered on memory and SSD cards. I wouldn't
> like that. That was an advantage that Dell (and others) had over Macs.
> Windows laptops seem to be looking more and more like Macs — I guess they'll
> start working more like Macs when they go to ARM chips.
> 
get an ad blocker and some malware detection and windows 11 is great