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On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 21:43:25 +0000, rhertz wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 19:25:57 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 10:42:14 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>
>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 8:16:21 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> rhertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 15:06:47 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 11:50:23 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When:
>>>>>>>>>> A. He admitted having little math and no ability in non-Euclidean
>>>>>>>>>> geometry.
>>>>>>>>>> B. He always relied on someone else to do his math.
>>>>>>>>>> C. He denied getting it from Hilbert.
>>>>>>>>>> D. He never said who he got it from.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Answer:
>>>>>>>>>> He stole them from Hilbert.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hilbert disagreed,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>> Here are two other versions of the quote;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
>>>>>>>> Einstein. But the equations are his."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  "Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
>>>>>>>> four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
>>>>>>>> did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
>>>>>>>> that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
>>>>>>>> could not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
>>>>>>> Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
>>>>>>> for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
>>>>>>> despite their superior technical skills.
>>>>>>> Hilbert goes on to state that:
>>>>>>> In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>> On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
>>>>>>> corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
>>>>>>> (So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
>>>>>>> mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
>>>>>>> personally)
>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
>>>>>>> if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
>>>>>>> who had just stolen his results.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You had better forget about all this.
>>>>>>> You are wrong about it, period.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stop talking idiocies,
>>>>>
>>>>> [snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>
>>>> Everyone can plainly understand Hilbert was pointing out that Einstein
>>>> was not competent to have thought up the field equations. It is utterly
>>>> deceitful to think otherwise. You are so deluded.
>>>
>>> Everyone who is not wearing your blinders can see what Hilbert said,
>>> and what he intended.
>>> He praised Einstein for having found the field equations,
>>> despite his initial lack of the mathematical toolkit needed for it.
>>> Einstein created and learned for himself whatever was needed.
>>>
>>> BTW, in a later note Hilbert expressed admiration,
>>> and a bit of jealousy, at Einsten's ease and speed
>>> in deriving the Mercury precession from the field equations.
>>> "If only I could calculate like you..."
>>>
>>> Jan
>> As usual, you are not the slightest bit persuasive. "...towards the end
>> of his life Einstein admitted to: 'Having been an unscrupulous
>> opportunist.'"- ibid p. 38.
>
> Not all the history can be erased. About his "1905 papers":
>
> 1) The Journal Annalen der Physik was at the center of the multilevel
> plot.
>
> 2) Willy Wien was the Chief Editor for Experimental Physics and Max
> Planck was the Chief Editor for THEORETICAL PHYSICS at the journal. YET,
> it was Wien, who had many unsolved issues with Planck, who authorized
> the first paper (photoelectric effect). The paper was used to TRASH
> Planck since page 1. Wien (a Nobel Prize by then) HAD ALL THE CONTACTS
> with every physicist in Europe, and in particular with Lenard (another
> Nobel Prize), who discovered and documented the photoelectric effect on
> metals under UV radiation. This paper IS THE ONLY ONE that cites many,
> many references and, CLEARLY, WAS NOT WRITTEN BY EINSTEIN but by Wien.
> He tried to downplay the value of Planck's "h" by INVENTING a new
> constant, and negating "h" along all the paper, except in a brief
> section. He also INSINUATED that "h" was wrong.
>
> 3) After this first paper, Wien and Drude authorized a second paper,
> which plagiarized several other papers in different countries about the
> brownian movement.
>
> 4) The THIRD ONE (SR) was a plagiarism of years of work of Lorentz,
> Poincaré and others, and is treated separately along with the fourth one
> (E=mc^2).
>
> 5) Wien also awarded Einstein with a job, in 1905, to CRITICIZE 19
> papers submitted to the Annalen, for which Einstein received a nice
> amount of money.
> Merits so far? NONE. Einstein's relationship with physics community?
> NONE.
> Einstein and his wife wrote the reviews. They needed the money badly.
>
> 6) When he was a little more known, by 1907, told to a journalist that
> criticized his custom to NOT CITE REFERENCES: I'm not obliged to do so.
>
> 7) Read here HOW Poincaré ANTICIPATED Einstein AND Minkowski by years.
> Also watch how Poincaré's notation IS WHAT IS USED TODAY. Poincaré
> credited Lorentz for his work, and named the transforms as Lorentz
> Transforms, after getting rid of the ether reference (which Einstein
> plagiarized from BOTH).
>
>
> Deux Mémoires de Henri Poincaré sur la Physique Mathématique
>
> https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Deux_M%C3%A9moires_de_Henri_Poincar%C3%A9_sur_la_Physique_Math%C3%A9matique
>
> 8) Einstein PLAGIARIZED von Soldner's theory about starlight deflection
> (1801), Voigt's theory about wave equations transforms (1887), Gerber's
> theory about Mercury (1897), Hilbert's development of GR field equation
> (1915), AND APPROPIATED THE DUE CREDITS TO Besso (Mercury, 1913) and
> Grossman's ENTIRE MATHEMATICAL BODY of GR (1913). Also DENIED the
> generous help given by Levi-Civita during 1915 (letters are missing) AND
> Schwarzschild (same year).
>
> There is also a quarrel due to plagiarism of the work of a female
> physicist (1909) about thermodynamics, a history behind the 18"/cy by
> making one of his slaves to use Nordstrom's theory (1913), a denial
> about the contributions of Lorentz and Ehrenfest during 1915, took
> advantage Pick in 1912, Bose in 1922. The LIST is too long to write
> here.
>
>
>
>
> *************************************************************************
> ALBERT EINSTEIN. Plagiarist of the Century
>
> http://allais.maurice.free.fr/English/Einstein1.htm
>
>
>
> Note by the webmaster
>
> I wish to add some personal remarks to the above article.
>
> These remarks relate to the political climate prevailing between France
> and Germany during these years which preceded the First World War. It
> was really a very bad climate which may bring some light on the
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