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From: clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
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Subject: Re: The Relativity Mafia
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2024 21:58:22 +0000
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On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 4:30:44 +0000, The Starmaker wrote:

> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 21:36:18 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/29/2024 01:22 PM, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 18:50:19 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/29/2024 10:08 AM, Bertietaylor wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 16:58:53 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bertie: I haven't connected with Arindam due to his claims about
>>>>>>> ultimate realities. He probably thinks light is affected by gravity and
>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are right and Arindam will agree totally with you for he has proved
>>>>>> that gravity is an electrostatic phenomenon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bertietaylor
>>>>>
>>>>> Heaviside and crew arrived at that action in the electrical field
>>>>> was just a bit _beyond_ c, I suppose one might say, the "mass-less".
>>>>
>>>> If photons had mass the mass-velocity relation would prevent them from
>>>> moving at c. Therefore, they have no mass.
>>>
>>> Photons are none of electrons, electron-holes, nor waves,
>>> nor wavelets, in the "electromagnetic" or electrical field -
>>> though there's a usual wave/particle duality of photons
>>> as radiant the light.
>>>
>>> That the electrical field, makes for continuous spectrum,
>>> about the frequency and wavelength thus energy after dividing
>>> out the supposed particle energy the rays, the waves the rays,
>>> and so does light in space by itself as if it orbits, bodies,
>>> then has usually separate fields apiece for the electrical
>>> and "deep space in a vacuum light's un-encumbered medium",
>>> though the theory today has it simplified together,
>>> helps describe why "photons" are way over-loaded in
>>> the "particle" mechanics, and that then in terms of
>>> mass-energy equivalency and c = infinity, that,
>>> c =/= infinity.
>>>
>>> And the great 19'th century electricians do arrive
>>> at action in the electrical field just slightly tachyonic.
>>>
>>> The "mass-less", or "sub-particulate", energy in the wave.
>>>
>>> One may notice that waves are not granular.
>>>
>>> Of course that's sort of putting GR, and SR, and QM,
>>> and QED, and scattering-and-tunneling, and QCD,
>>> not-quite a wave theory, photons pretty much everywhere.
>>>
>>> "Virtual", photons ("fictitious", mostly).
>>>
>>> Of course there's just adding definition underneath
>>> the assumptions of GR and SR since mechanics itself
>>> makes room, since GR and SR are merely "successful theories".
>>
>> You're right to place "successful theories" in quotation marks. What
>> troubles me is how can energy exist without mass? How ca photons be
>> massless?
>
>
>
> Energy existed trillions of years before mass was invented.
>
>
> The big bang was the invention of...Mass. Why do you think there are
> Rocks flying everywhere????
>
>
> isn't one grain of sand a...rock?
>
>
> 'My Gawd, it's full of rocks!'
>
>
> everybody wants to get stoned....
>
>
>
> hey, you got rocks in your head..
>
>
I take it the Big Bang has energy before mass so why can't photons be
massless? Whether they have mass or not my conjecture requires they are
not affected by gravity. That is a big exception to the rule but so is
relativity's doubling of the Newtonian.