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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Humans can't observe time. Even less, the pass of time. Science is an illusion. Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 17:54:28 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <2d33b3670e50f8eccf7f9551837c1fc0@www.novabbs.com> References: <97a9ca22ce4629abfc7c47ee82530394@www.novabbs.com> <vub9pk$deva$1@solani.org> <43ad1dfea5faf1f126cb596c0c01bc01@www.novabbs.com> <vubkrm$dd0n$3@solani.org> <77da0cb1139c278520ee46501f6368a3@www.novabbs.com> <vueu9p$312jv$1@dont-email.me> <a2928364f0fcdf2a4422c464becf49e0@www.novabbs.com> <vuk3do$heno$3@solani.org> <01d18d927e1bb35d7daec6502509f2e1@www.novabbs.com> <vum59e$1k37h$1@dont-email.me> <9464a55dd07276d5a9aad9bd8e42c080@www.novabbs.com> <0fe7a71798dcb51727db0f2e61f87988@www.novabbs.com> <vunna0$33d14$1@dont-email.me> <0460cbd0eea08e7c3b0e7bd7170d76f4@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2284289"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="TRF929uvrTGZYJLF+N3tVBXNVfr/PeoSjsJ9hd5hWzo"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: cefb4c33981645a229d345bae7bb8942e6b32c35 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$29J8QzNfICtbMHsXd5p6DOSEfwKZOcDpRaEPXOs71KnMyiZWggFDC Bytes: 4665 Lines: 81 On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 16:24:56 +0000, rhertz wrote: > > I repeat: Repeating falsehoods does not make them true. > Humans have no abilities to OBSERVE the pass of time (or its flow, which > is the same. This is even too much for Maciej to swallow :-)) > In the case of spatial dimensions (xyz), we have such sensorial > capabilities. > > But in the case of TIME, which is a human construct, our brain CAN'T > REGISTER TIME (at any given instance) We have no instantaneous "sensorial" capabilities since all observations are in the past. Strange that some of us know this but others do not. > NOR IT CAN OBSERVE HOW TIME FLOWS, > even looking themselves in a mirror. Mirrors have nothing to do with it. All animals use their brains to remember the past. Some humans forget that. > The cognitive capabilities to register time that we might have > are ILLUSIONS that rapidly FADE AWAY. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it," -- George Santayana. "Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it". -- Winston Churchill > Our brain can't process such information and, even less, REGISTER > (through observations) how time flows within and around us, even > when we chose a TICK large enough (say, 1 second lapse per obser- > vation). We don't understand what HAPPENS BECAUSE EVERY CHANGE > AROUND US is in the past, and we CAN'T PROCESS THE THREADS OF > PAST OBSERVATIONS as it if was a movie played in reverse, > choosing intervals at will. This says more about Hertz than the rest of the inhabitants of this planet. > So, time IS AN ILLUSION, as well as any result that we might > observe in a graph f(t). WE CAN'T REPRODUCE WHAT THE GRAPHIC > CONTAINS, Apparently, Hertz has never heard of photography. Nor has he ever taken a photograph of an oscilloscope trace back in the old days (now you don't even need a camera, you just push a button). He doesn't understand that scientists DO reproduce phenomena to prove that they're repeatable, not ephemeral, not a mistake, and they have recordings to show it when memory is no longer green. > SO WE CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IT'S TRUE. Scientist don't believe a phenomenon the first time it happens, they repeat it, they report it to others who also repeat it. After many have repeated it, THAT'S when belief becomes general. Then, the only ones who repeat it are in school laboratories, so it's repeated again and again and again and .... But seminal experiences seldom are forgotten. I have a cat that liked to jump the fence when she was a kitten, then strolled around and jumped into someone else's yard and couldn't figure out why she wasn't home. I installed an electric fence and she jumped the fence only ONCE after that. She landed on the side- walk, ran to the alley, ran down the alley to my driveway, ran up to the garage, jumped over the gate and back into the yard. She has NEVER tried to reproduce THAT! :-)) I guess some memories, even in cats, DON'T fade away. > Nobody, here or anywhere, can contradict THIS FACT. Hertz is wrong: I just did.