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Subject: Re: Relativity is a pseudoscience II. The Hafele-Keating HOAX,
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2024 17:39:11 +0000
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On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 17:06:12 +0000, rhertz wrote:

> You are behaving as a parrot, which can repeat endlessly the same, but
> you DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WRITE (or DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND)

Actually, it is ***YOU*** who insists on not understanding.

> Your "facepalm" is a sign of your absolute DENIAL about facts WRITTEN BY
> HAFELE HIMSELF!!! (facepalm).
>
> You persist talking about bananas, and I'm talking about oranges!
>
> Again:
>
> 1) They realized more than 4,500 measurements (using HP 5063 A) of the
> differences between the FLYING CLOCKS, not against USNO CLOCKS!
>
> 2) The ONLY MEASUREMENT ABOUT THE AVERAGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FLYING
> CLOCKS AND THE TWO CLOCKS LOCATED AT THE USNO (WASHINGTON) was performed
> ONLY at the USNO lab, before and AFTER each flight finished!!

They didn't measure only the differences immediately before and after
each flight, but took hours of measurements so that they knew how the
clocks were drifting before and after each flight.

This was important information.

> 3) NO REAL TIME MEASUREMENTS BETWEEN THE USNO REFERENCE CLOCKS AND THE
> FLYING CLOCKS WERE MADE DURING THE FLIGHTS, BECAUSE IT WAS (AND STILL
> IS) TECHNOLOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, DUE TO THE TINY DIFFERENCES (NSEC)
> BETWEEN BOTH ENSEMBLES.

You need to understand that there are there were two main types of
error that H&K needed to contend with:
1) Shot noise which caused a "Brownian motion" type of timing drift.
2) MUCH MORE SERIOUS were rate glitches which occured unpredictably
   both on the ground and during the flight.

By taking many intercomparison readings between the clocks, they could
detect (or rather, their software could detect) when the rate glitches
occurred and the magnitudes of these rate glitches.

> TO ACHIEVE SUCH INFO EXCHANGE, A GLOBAL NETWORK FOR TIME SHOULD HAVE
> EXISTED, IN ORDER TO DISCOUNT THE TRAVEL TIME OF THE DATA BETWEEN (I.E.)
> TOKIO AND WASHINGTON!  EVEN TODAY, USING GPS SYNC AND 1-WAY MICROWAVE
> LINKS (THROUGH SATELLITES) WOULD FAIL, BECAUSE THE GLOBAL GPS TIME HAS
> AN AVERAGE SYNC TIME OF +/- 10 NANOSECONDS (ALMOST 25% OF THE
> DIFFERENCE).
>
> WHY DO YOU PERSIST INSISTING ON THIS?

Why do you presist in deluding yourself that I believe such nonsense?

> ******
> Before, after, and during the flights, they made continuous clock
> inter-comparison. These continuous clock inter-comparisons allowed
> them to detect and compensate for clock glitches.
> ******
>
> THESE ARE NOT MEASUREMENT BETWEEN USNO CLOCKS AND H-K CLOCKS, FOR GOD'S
> SAKE!!

Of course not. But these measurements allowed them to figure out what
was going on with the clocks while the clocks were in flight. Extensive
characterization of clock behavior before and after the flights while
the clocks were in Washington allowed them to establish "ground truth."

> I reminded your endless discussions with Dono about your article. Not
> that Dono is someone that I like, but he's A SOLID EE (AND YOU'RE NOT).
>
> As far as I remember, you are a programmer, not an EE. The know-how of
> an EE with decades of experience in communications CAN'T BE REPLACED
> with someone with a logical mind (you), but skilled ONLY in SW.