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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: Sufficient knowledge of C proves that DD specifies
 non-terminating behavior to HHH
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 07:37:15 -0500
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On 2/10/25 7:02 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 2/10/2025 5:16 AM, joes wrote:
>> Am Sun, 09 Feb 2025 13:54:39 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>> On 2/9/2025 1:33 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 20:04 schreef olcott:
>>>>> On 2/9/2025 12:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 18:00 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 10:50 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 16:18 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 2:13 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 07:10 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 15:47 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:57 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 06:53 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 7:27 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 8:12 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 5:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 11:26 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 6:20 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 10:02 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2025 8:21 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 5:18 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2025 1:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 1:26 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2025 10:52 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.02.2025 um 16:11 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/5/2025 1:44 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.02.2025 um 04:38 schrieb olcott:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which proves that HHH fails to make a correct decision about
>>>>>>>>>>>> DD's halting behaviour. All other methods (direct execution,
>>>>>>>>>>>> simulation by a world class simulator, etc.) show that DD
>>>>>>>>>>>> halts. But HHH fails to see it. Everyone with sufficient
>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of programming sees that HHH is not correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>> programmed when it aborts one cycle before the simulation would
>>>>>>>>>>>> end normally.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The execution trace only shows that HHH is unable to complete its
>>>>>>>>>> simulation, because HHH is unable to simulate itself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It turns out that Olcott does not even understand this simple proof
>>>>>>>> that HHH produces false negatives. HHH is unable to simulate itself
>>>>>>>> up to the normal termination.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, in other words, Olcott denies verified facts.
>>>>>> HHH generates false negatives, as is verified in
>>>>>>          int main() {
>>>>>>            return HHH(main);
>>>>>>          }
>>>>>> but he denies it.
>>>>>> He lacks the ability to accept simple verified facts, which he tries
>>>>>> to hide with a lot of irrelevant words.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is a verified fact that main cannot possibly be correctly simulated
>>>>> by HHH until its normal termination.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, which proves that HHH is unable to simulate itself correctly.
>>>
>>> If this was true then you could point out exactly where HHH is
>>> incorrect.
> 
>> HHH is supposed to be a decider, i.e. halt and return the correct value.
>>
> 
> The directly executed HHH(DD) always halts and returns a correct
> value as soon as it correctly determines that its input cannot
> possibly terminate normally.

But that answer ISN'T "correct" becuase the input when run DOES 
terminate normally.

Your problem is you just don't know what TRUTH is. You claim you need a 
link to the truth-makers but instead you build your links to your lies.

> 
>>> Here is the code point out the (nonexistent) error:
>> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c#L502
>>
> 
>