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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2024 17:12:33 -0400
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On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 16:12:39 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 7/8/2024 4:25 AM, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Jul 2024 03:54:56 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>> <
>>> If a thug wants to harm a human and can't find a gun, he can use
>>> knives, poisons, explosives, and many other tools and/or devices. Most
>>> of those tools and devices have little or no value for defensive
>>> purposes.
>
>What a specious argument.

No, it simply means that if guns were to suddenly disapear, thugs
would find another way to threaten, assault, and kill people.  There
are many.

>Use of poisons and explosives are both illegal 
>and hence rare.

Nonsense, legal poisons and explosives are pretty common. I heard a
lot of explosives being used a few days ago. I've read about rioters
(thugs) using fireworks against police.

> Knives are used to harm others, but even they are 
>subject to restrictions in most places. 

As are guns, in fact guns are restricted in many more places than are
knives. 

I carry a folding knife with a 3.875 inch blade almost everywhere I
go, except on bike rides nowdays, when I carry a smaller one. Back
when I was going to school, from first grade to my last college class,
it would have been very rare for me to be without a pocket knife.

>(I had to check my tiny 
>pocketknife before getting into the last concert I attended.) And 
>America has never seen a roomful of school kids killed by knife.
>
>> Or, as in the Boston use bombs... As an aside, home made bombs are
>> cheaper then firearms :-) 
>
><sigh> John, "explosives" includes "bombs," already mentioned. Are you OK?