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Path: ...!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2024 17:59:48 +0000 From: Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: electrical deaths Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2024 12:59:47 -0500 Message-ID: <2m8pkjpasi6dca20k2dgp0sj1pl07so9ek@4ax.com> References: <iv1dkj1d8qa5cvm4r5b7mbehcot0lnd057@4ax.com> <lr1hkdFss75U1@mid.individual.net> User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-g1E3xSl2gr2DIP87DXcl3mfMQP8n9mIO4cmgrkJlLPE4j3a1geHAEJnxVW+IictxyG9bxDUcpkwSCWP!qOQ+e4xdqTcsd0KdUzsQsynf3WHQeUzOPmNXsmEVtOq1ZqQgK8JoY9uG1xO/zKN0jkOAFs4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 2235 On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:24:11 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote: >On 11/26/24 6:53 PM, john larkin wrote: >> https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Age-adjusted-mortality-rates-from-electrical-injuries-per-1-million-population-European_fig1_221916189 >> >> The US (0.63 PPM) is probably low partly because we have mostly 120 >> volt gadgets. I usually wire boxes hot, and get tickled now and then, >> no big deal. >> >> Some countries are astounding. >> > >Twice the line voltage makes a difference. Also, some countries such as >Germany have non-polarized wall outlets which was a clear mistake on the >part of the standards guys. Think toasters and forks. We have polarized line plugs in the US, but the wiring old and new isn't consistent, or becomes so over time. And so people often intentionally defeat the polarization. Part of the problem is that for many small appliances, the plug was bigger than the appliance. Probably more expensive too. Anyway, my instinct is that not polarizing plugs and sockets is more realistic, as it forces manufacturers to pass safety regardless of hoe things are plugged in. Joe Gwinn