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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Jamming Shimano Di2 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 11:21:17 -0700 Lines: 37 Message-ID: <2nd4cj1s95e3nk3mut4j9g2f5morttdqde@4ax.com> References: <ona0cjlnpdmjv5c2r6nlm1ubb3mi4jqf55@4ax.com> <v9q3t0$1sfv4$10@dont-email.me> <opg1cj5kmiullu25leaaii4redindeohj4@4ax.com> <v9qj1f$1v8v2$4@dont-email.me> <o2q1cj5bb877tc764i1o9ddn5nnkhide5h@4ax.com> <v9sr4u$1v8v2$7@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net 6NYrjlYmnLe/hLJWqYmWJgUFm7X/DP0pxWLmAVrlSoABJLfk2T Cancel-Lock: sha1:9RcK1TUk+dBowQLBySG1Z4voWzI= sha256:YWo4Yi9W1pyfOmp8vtCgsHzuAsWUjcHZvntR4rpmX+I= User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Bytes: 2594 On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 08:58:05 -0400, zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote: >You misunderstand. I didn't write that it was simplex. I wrote that it >was originally intended to monitor sensors rather than dynamically >control another 'slave' device. Of course some handshaking is necessary >in order to pair the components and maintain the link. As the technology >and popularity of the protocol has grown subsequent versions gave more >versatility for more control. I know I read that history somewhere, but >It's not popping up in my searches right now. This might be of interest: "Shimano DI2 Wireless Reverse Engineered" (March 22, 2019) <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Kyh5im_ak> (19:45) Note that the Github page with the code is gone. However, there are some other interesting projects on his site: <https://github.com/kwakeham?tab=repositories> Following search results for "DiHack", I found this: "DiHack. Reverse Engineering the Shimano Private ANT Wireless profile" <https://github.com/cmoski/DiHack/blob/master/Onenote-notes.pdf> >- Does wireless shift faster? yes, marginally. >- Does wireless shift more accurately? Yes, but a properly set-up cable >system does just as well such that it's barely noticeable. When races are won or lost by small fractions of a second, any innovation that offers even a slight advantage is probably worthwhile. Whether it's financially worthwhile depends on the sponsors generosity. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558