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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!sewer!alphared!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: To sum up Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 18:06:06 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 72 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <30tkrj99o1lik2ib4c4ju7eqlabtt3bu74@4ax.com> References: <vo1n39$2rdv4$1@dont-email.me> <vo47ib$3cm8h$1@dont-email.me> <vo7jg5$2090$1@dont-email.me> <vo7kt0$qvu$2@dont-email.me> <voovjr$3o3ri$1@dont-email.me> <vop70b$3sjqq$2@dont-email.me> <ndr0rj1m7bp2r4erpms6mcpquunmu4k9d0@4ax.com> <vov55a$13r1b$1@dont-email.me> <k8j8rj5t9n9b91c9q4qo25tiij5jbg7ti0@4ax.com> <vp1kc3$1kvce$1@dont-email.me> <upl8rjpg2luq1h0ch9bhv7sqelepba4t2e@4ax.com> <vp1o58$1lhpq$1@dont-email.me> <1k99rjdlu3nojs2r0525pq21j4qc3h9jb2@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="33497"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.20.32.1218 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:dd+tMRh54OeVDNHmUGHqu556VHw= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 7DA8A22978C; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 20:06:19 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C923229783 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 20:06:17 -0500 (EST) id 89C2C1C0B21; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 01:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by newsfeed.bofh.team (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F8FF1C0125 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 01:06:11 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1153360627 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 01:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/1153360627; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=buzz.off id 65895DC01CA; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 02:06:09 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 02:06:08 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+ffUOc7ADvAt4H41/Hteb0+2JRz0S/Fh8JIyZtwTkWKYJp17+7SBbP HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5701 On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 08:29:58 -0700, the following appeared in talk.origins, posted by Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>: >On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 21:41:42 +1100, the following appeared >in talk.origins, posted by MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com>: > >>On 18/02/2025 8:55 pm, Martin Harran wrote: >>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 20:37:06 +1100, MarkE <me22over7@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 18/02/2025 8:15 pm, Martin Harran wrote: >>>>> The question I would like to see you address is how your Intelligent >>>>> Designer might have gone about this. >>>>> >>>>> The human brain indeed has unique characteristics in terms of its >>>>> ability and functions. Other species do not have those >>>>> characteristics, but they do have similar brain structures and, as >>>>> Ernest has pointed out in several examples, those brains can sometimes >>>>> be argued to be even more complex than the human one. So how do you >>>>> think your Intelligent Designer went about this? Did he play around >>>>> with various prototype brain designs on other species and then come up >>>>> with a particular design that he decided to give to humans alone? >>>> >>>> Why the hostile, mocking tone, >>> >>> Not meant to be either hostile or mocking but I accept it may come >>> across that way due to my frustration with you continually refusing to >>> deal with issues raided by a fellow religious believer. [1] >>> >>>> and straw man depiction of God? >>> >>> It is you and your fellow IDers who have created a strawman by >>> pretending to talk about some anodyne designer when you really mean >>> God; and not just *any* God, the specific Christian God. >> >>I'm with many ID proponents who are openly Christians, but in the >>context of debating the interpretation and implications of scientific >>evidence, deliberately and correctly refer only to a non-specific >>intelligent designer interacting with this material world from outside >>of spacetime. >> >>> >>> >>> =========================== >>> >>> [1] For example, still waiting for you to produce the evidence you >>> promised 10 days ago about ID gaining traction. >>> >Same here. >> >>It'll come, I'm still doing midnighters. And distracting myself with >>posts like these. >> >So, "The check is in the mail"? > >Either you know of such evidence or you were blowing smoke. >If the former, a simple one-line cite to the evidence would >have taken less time than the two sentences above. But I >suspect it's actually the latter; simply the most recent in >a long line of such from various ID apologists. >> 4 days. OK; got it; you were blowing smoke. Thanks for confirming. > -- Bob C. "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'" - Isaac Asimov