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From: joes <noreply@example.org>
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Subject: Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 15:07:12 -0000 (UTC)
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Am Thu, 04 Jul 2024 08:43:22 -0500 schrieb olcott:
> On 7/4/2024 8:38 AM, joes wrote:
>> Am Thu, 04 Jul 2024 07:50:51 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>> On 7/4/2024 5:38 AM, joes wrote:
>>>> Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 11:21:01 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>> On 7/3/2024 11:09 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 17:55 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>> On 7/3/2024 10:52 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 15:24 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2024 3:42 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 05:55 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 10:50 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Tue, 02 Jul 2024 14:46:38 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 2:17 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 21:00 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 1:42 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 14:22 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 3:22 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 03:25 schreef olcott:
>> 
>>>>>>>> Similarly, if you think that HHH can simulate itself correctly,
>>>>>>>> you are wrong.
>>>>>>>>           int H(ptr p, ptr i);
>>>>>>>>           int main()
>>>>>>>>           {
>>>>>>>>             return H(main, 0);
>>>>>>>>           }
>>>>>>>> You showed that H returns, but that the simulation thinks it does
>>>>>>>> not return.
>>>>>>>> DDD is making it unnecessarily complex, but has the same problem.
>>>>>>> main correctly emulated by H never stops running unless aborted.
>>>>>> HHH is unable to simulate main correctly, because it unable to
>>>>>> simulate itself correctly.
>>>>>> The 'unless phrase' is misleading, because we are talking about a H
>>>>>> *does* abort. Dreaming of one that does not abort, is irrelevant.
>>>>>> The correctly simulated main would stop, because the simulated H is
>>>>>> only one cycle away from its return when its simulation is aborted.
>>>>> HHH is required to report on what would happen if HHH did not abort.
>>>>> HHH is forbidden from getting its own self stuck in infinite
>>>>> execution. Emulated instances of itself is not its actual self.
>>>> No. HHH is simulating itself, not a different function that does not
>>>> abort. All calls are instances of the same code with the same
>>>> parameters. They all do the same thing: aborting.
>>> HHH always meets its abort criteria first because it always sees at
>>> least one fully execution trace of DDD before the next inner one. It
>>> is stupidly incorrect to think that HHH can wait on the next one.
>> Stupidly incorrect is thinking that the next one wouldn’t abort just
>> because that part isn’t simulated.
> Unless the outermost one aborts none of them do.
Since the outermost aborts, all of them do.

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Am Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:52:17 -0500 schrieb olcott:
Objectively I am a genius.