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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: Usenet newsgroups 2025
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 21:00:40 +0000
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 20:08:06 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:50:35 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>> HarryLime wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:46:36 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:31:13 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:49:49 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 7:05:08 AM UTC-4, george wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  > > A silly young burro named Bobby
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > > Joined a poetry group for a hobby.
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > > His output was thin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > > But he tried to fit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > > By acting exceedingly snobby.
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > Robert Burrows wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > A silly old fool named Dance
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > Once again pulled down his pants
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > No one expressed any shock
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > At the smallness of his c*ck
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's not forget that Robert Burrows came back with poetry of his own.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So it can be noted that Burrows didn't just go away crying.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No one is saying that he did, Donkey.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Again, you intentionally created a toxic atmosphere here, which ended up
>>>>>>>>>>> driving *everyone* away.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Again, that's a lie, Pendragon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It all begins when you, Jim Senetto and Nancy Gene decided to try to
>>>>>>>>>> drive Stephan Pickering from the newsgroup.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You have a short memory, Donkey.  It began back in the early 2000s when
>>>>>>>>> you were annoying everyone with your ongoing tales of a pizza boi,
>>>>>>>>> calling yourself "Irony Waves" and discussing how black pussy tastes
>>>>>>>>> different from its Caucasian counterpart, starting flame wars with
>>>>>>>>> Karla, PJR, Michael Cooke, Dennis Hammes, and everyone else in the group
>>>>>>>>> at that time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I don't think I ever started a flame war but I never ran from one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The complete a.a.p.c. Usenet newsgroup archives can be read and
>>>>>> responded to on JLA Forums if you want to try to prove me wrong:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=633422563
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for the late, unlamented Pickles, you brought him into the group to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong again, Pendragon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stephan Pickering came to this Usenet newsgroup on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is an archived fact, look it up:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=633422563
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> replace me as your ally -- when I finally wised up and realized who the
>>>>>>>>> real trolls were.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I initially attempted to draw Pickles into several conversations.  After
>>>>>>>>> having ignored my first few attempts, he suddenly launched into one of
>>>>>>>>> his patented, incomprehensible tirades about Christian dupes, child
>>>>>>>>> molestation, etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pickle's only attempts at writing poetry, turned out to have been copied
>>>>>>>>> nearly verbatim from well known writers, changing only enough words to
>>>>>>>>> thwart any attempts to pull the originals up on a Google search.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pickles was an unwitting shill for you.  You knew that his inflammatory
>>>>>>>>> outbursts would draw the negative attention away from you -- which is
>>>>>>>>> precisely why you brought him here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're still trying to use him right here and now as a means of
>>>>>>>>> deflecting my fire.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From there, you and your troll thug wannabe attempted and sometimes
>>>>>>>>>> succeeded in driving other poets away from Usenet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know who was responsible for driving the illiterate, formerly
>>>>>>>>> homeless redneck known as Vinyl Cat from the group, but she brought that
>>>>>>>>> on herself.  (Details provided in other threads.)  As with Pickles,
>>>>>>>>> you're still using her to deflect fire from yourself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But then tossing friends under the bus has always been the Donkey way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All that ended with the demise of Google Groups apparently, and if you
>>>>>>>>>> guys are happy with Facebook, go for it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Happy?  I'm downright thrilled.  Out year end issue is chock full of top
>>>>>>>>> notch poetry, color artwork, and award-winning poets.  We had an amazing
>>>>>>>>> year, with contributions from Scott Thomas, Louise Webster, Bruce
>>>>>>>>> Boston, Robert Cabeen, Carlos Deleon, Jefferson Carter, Ruth Housman,
>>>>>>>>> Trinity Venter, and other established poets gracing our pages.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, the Usenet newsgroup AAPC continues and will continue, and
>>>>>>>>>> hopefully will grow during 2025.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Right... over the past 12 months, you've grown from approximately 12
>>>>>>>>> members to 3.  Kudos.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You and George not only launched threads attacking Bobby, but created
>>>>>>>>>>> similar threads attacking everyone who wasn't a member of your "team."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually, you, Nancy Gene and Jim Senetto were doing that as far back as
>>>>>>>>>> 2017.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It seems now that you're trying to misrepresent and lie about what
>>>>>>>>>> happened.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The truth is in the archives.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And you'd been doing it as far back as 2002.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Usenet newsgroups have always had flame wars, it comes with the
>>>>>>>> territory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I originally came to this group to promote my just-published poetry
>>>>>>>>>>> collection in 2010.  At that time, AAPC was a wasteland -- much as it is
>>>>>>>>>>> today, only the dozens of spam posts advertising drugs have been
>>>>>>>>>>> replaced by dozens of spam posts of Stinky G slurping your poetry.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I returned a few years later when the spam quotient had drastically been
>>>>>>>>>>> reduced, and when there seemed to be more than two members (you and
>>>>>>>>>>> George, of course) desperately in search of a conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I came here to post and discuss poetry.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Same here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the atmosphere was so toxic, that I was forced to pick a
>>>>>>>>>>> side in an ongoing flame war, which proved to be a colossal waste of
>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Since you lost the flavor war, right.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, Donkey, but I've no recollection of this "flavor war."
>>>>>>>>> Please remind me as to which flavor I supported (I'm guessing vanilla,
>>>>>>>>> pumpkin spice, or pistachio) and which flavor (or flavors) won out over
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because I realized what Usenet AAPC *could* become, I stuck around and
>>>>>>>>>>> did my best to create a much more attractive atmosphere that would
>>>>>>>>>>> attract, rather than repel, poets.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You did your best to drive some poets away, Pendragon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why do you keep repeating the same old whines, Donkey?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the toxicity here only worsened, to the point at which it
>>>>>>>>>>> sank into an all-out state of no-hold-barred warfare.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That was by your choice, Pendragon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was a last ditch attempt to bring you to the table, Donkey.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When it was just you annoying everyone, we had nothing to bargain with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once you were starting to get attacked in return, we had something to
>>>>>>>>> bargain with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When Google Groups pulled the plug, it seemed like the perfect
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