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Subject: Re: Three Body Problem
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On Sun, 18 Aug 2024 10:15:13 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

>On 8/17/24 12:52, D wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>=20
>>> On 8/17/2024 4:51 AM, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/16/2024 4:55 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>>>>>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/16/2024 1:26 PM, BCFD 36 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Awhile back, The Three Body Problem was mentioned. In that=20
>>>>>>>> thread, there was no mention of the current Netflix version. Was=
=20
>>>>>>>> this mentioned somewhere else and I just missed it? Google =
groups=20
>>>>>>>> is of no help any more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have just started the series and I am intrigued, so far. Just=20
>>>>>>>> two episodes. My wife is rather "meh" about it, but she said the=
=20
>>>>>>>> same thing about Star Trek 1 which in reality she HATED so I may=
=20
>>>>>>>> be watching it after she goes to bed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave Scruggs
>>>>>>>> Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly =
Retired)
>>>>>>>> Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
>>>>>>>> Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District =
(What=20
>>>>>>>> was I thinking?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did not like the Netflix version, have yet to read the book. =20
>>>>>>> Too much time spent on the China Cultural Revolution and their=20
>>>>>>> violence against the educated.=A0 Felt like a Children of the =
Corn=20
>>>>>>> mini series.=A0 I gave up after two episodes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've known several people whose lives were damaged by that event. =
=20
>>>>>> And these were the lucky ones, who made it to the west.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One scientist I knew never got over it, especially the abuse=20
>>>>>> suffered by her mother.=A0 One might have expected her father, an=20
>>>>>> educated man who had lived in the West and still had children=20
>>>>>> living there to be as big a target. But he was left alone, she=20
>>>>>> said, because he was a renowned gerontologist and=A0 the Party=20
>>>>>> leadership was getting older.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another distinguished scientist told me he reached the last year =
of=20
>>>>>> secondary education only to realize that he'd learned absolutely=20
>>>>>> nothing owing to the constant meetings and demonstrations. =20
>>>>>> Ignoring his teachers, he packed four years of school into one. =20
>>>>>> Judging by his subsequent career, he kept up that level of effort=20
>>>>>> for=A0 the next few decades.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William Hyde
>>>>>
>>>>> One of my Dad's mainland Chinese grad students from OU lived with =
us=20
>>>>> for a couple of years from 1973 to 1974 and worked for my Dad from=20
>>>>> 1973 to 1995. He came over to the USA in 1966 or 1967 and got a PhD=
=20
>>>>> in Chemical Engineering from OU in 1973.=A0 I heard enough stories=20
>>>>> from him about growing on a farm in China, living in a cave,=20
>>>>> starving all the time.=A0 If our family did not eat everything at=20
>>>>> supper then he would finish everything off.=A0 It took my mother=20
>>>>> several months break him of that habit.=A0 But he never got fat.=A0=
 He=20
>>>>> never mentioned anything about the Cultural Revolution but I =
suspect=20
>>>>> it was the reason why he left China.
>>>>>
>>>>> He was incredibly smart, he would give me an algorithm and I would=20
>>>>> code it up in Fortran 66 for him in a subroutine and give him the=20
>>>>> card deck. He was very submissive, he would never look you in the=20
>>>>> face, would always look down.=A0 He went back to mainland China in=20
>>>>> 1995 to help with his sister's export business.=A0 Sadly, he soon =
had=20
>>>>> a heart attack and passed away.=A0 His sister was kind enough to =
call=20
>>>>> my father and tell us.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know several people in the USA who had to leave Iran when they =
had=20
>>>>> their cultural revolution.=A0 Mostly engineers working for USA=20
>>>>> companies like Dupont in Iran.=A0 I've gotten a few stories from =
them,=20
>>>>> grim, very grim. One of my classmates at TAMU disappeared at the=20
>>>>> midyear of our junior year in 1980 when the Iranian Embassy in the=20
>>>>> USA sent him a letter cutting off his funds and ordering him to =
come=20
>>>>> home.=A0 They also revoked his visa but President Reagan gave all=20
>>>>> those people green card status in 1981.=A0 He refused to go home to=
=20
>>>>> Iran since he was a nephew of the Shah, he figured that they would=20
>>>>> shoot him the minute he stepped off the plane.
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, the various Cultural Revolutions are a little too=20
>>>>> real for me and I do not enjoy reading about or viewing them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With this historical luggage I can never understand how people in=20
>>>> europe can insist on voting for socialists. Give them enough power=20
>>>> and they tend to repeat themselves. Just look at the socialist UK=20
>>>> government now cracking down on free speech. Very sad.
>
>	The UK as someone points out does not have written guarantes
>of Freedom of Speech as we do in the USA.  The German government
>specifically outlaws discussion of the benefits of the Hitler Years.
>But that has not kept their own Fascist movement worshipping Hitler
>to re-emerge.
>
>	There are socialist and Socialists and Marxist-Leninist as well
>as Outright Fascists.  Socialists with a small s run the US Military
>forces.  The Military is supposed to support and defend the Constitution
>and they remain under the control of the elected Civilians sf the=20
>Federal Government. Socialists with Capital S are seldom elected in
>the USA but we have Bernie Sanders, who points out that he is a
>Democratic Socialist i.e. he believes in voting for a Representative
>government.
>
>	Fascists want the Industrial forces on their side and want
>the people controlled, as do Marxist-Leninist parties except they
>want the State which is claimed to represent the people to control
>the means of production.  So the primary means of production is
>the ability of women to give birth to new humans and they want to
>get as many humans as possible so restrict abortions.
>	In Communist China this control over births was used to
>lower the population with unforeseen results result in modification
>of the 1 child per family rule.
>	In Germany under Hitler, in Russia under Communism and now
>under Putin, as well as China since the Communist drove the Nationalist
>out as well as some smaller nations we have totalitarian Governments
>which try to control the people in pursuit of Government set goals.
>
>	In ancient Rome and Greece as well a later states a fear of
>Democracy developed calling it Mob-rule.  Well they did not have
>constitution but autocratic rule and the curious matter is that
>they feared the mob voting itself benefits.  Aristocratic Republics
>eventually fell to the most powerful creating empires.
>  	However in the USA today we have the most powerful economically
>buying our elected representatives who vote them benefits greater than
>any democratic government envisioned hand to the people of the USA.
>
>
>
>>>
>>> Incredibly sad.=A0 And the Democrat candidate here in the USA is =
talking=20
>>> freezing food prices and making grocery stores report any changes in=20
>>> their prices, causing huge paperwork and never ending bureaucracies.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>>
>	Very popular with people spending most of their wages or stipends on=20
>eating, shelter and utilities.
>
>>=20
>> What!?! Jesus Christ, do people never learn? When has freezing prices=20
>> and forcing markets under political control ever benefitted anyone=20
>> except, maybe, politicians?
>
>	WW II in the USA we suffered wage and price controls and beat
>the hell out of the Germans.  We also suffered food rationing and no
>one died of that. We were a Totalitarian state and the pacifists=20
>suffered but we only had Radio and Newspapers as a source of information
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