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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: john larkin <JL@gct.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: DDS, again Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:09:57 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 25 Message-ID: <37qoljh0kd5cbskvkkum56uq7grm093kjc@4ax.com> References: <lcthlj9gl86227o6hrc4sidglalkak4qj9@4ax.com> <vjbk75$1f4r4$1@dont-email.me> <capilj9nftudbqgtlu79h8b7gavbngt1ob@4ax.com> <LQT6P.147375$kfE2.51450@fx16.ams4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 18:10:00 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="323d0d5427e67a9d9cf7ac20e03c6a3d"; logging-data="3711288"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18fgY1zdJ0ky9d8KNMAl5Tg" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:/7fjGI8QzAfZLDTjHI01oZGPAS0= Bytes: 2022 On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 21:17:13 +1100, Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> wrote: >On 11/12/2024 9:31 pm, john larkin wrote: >> The "RF" mindset, that one has to do the sine and dac and hi-rent >> lowpass filter and comparator, is not only a bunch of work and >> expense, it gets really nasty at low frequencies. > >Then don't do it at low frequencies. Do it at 2^N times the low >frequency that you want, and then after the comparator divide by 2^N. I think that can be done, but very carefully. We need long-term phase coherence to simulate a complex geared machine, and we need frequency changes to happen at a selected phase angle, like top-dead-center of some waveform of some part of a mechanism. Using the MSB of the phase accumulator is sure appealing. Going off-chip to a DAC and a filter and a comparator adds time lag and jitter. Most DDSs are RF oriented so don't care about time. Maybe some exotic radars would.