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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: A different perspective on undecidability Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 20:47:28 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <38bddfadc23aa62c064a082427b6cb9f037465a8@i2pn2.org> References: <veoift$29dtl$2@dont-email.me> <veoq3j$2aqp2$1@dont-email.me> <veota3$2baph$1@dont-email.me> <veounb$2bh94$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2024 00:47:29 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2367776"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <veounb$2bh94$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2698 Lines: 59 On 10/16/24 1:55 PM, olcott wrote: > On 10/16/2024 12:31 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 10/16/2024 11:37 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-10-16 14:27:09 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> The whole notion of undecidability is anchored in ignoring the fact >>>> that >>>> some expressions of language are simply not truth bearers. >>> >>> A formal theory is undecidable if there is no Turing machine that >>> determines whether a formula of that theory is a theorem of that >>> theory or not. >> >> When the question: Is finite string X a theory of L? >> has no correct answer from YES and NO, then the question >> is rejected as not a truth bearer. >> > > I did not say that exactly correctly. > > When the question: > Is finite string X a theory of L? > has no correct answer from YES and NO, > > then the statements: > (a) Finite string X is a theory of L > and > (b) Finite string X is NOT a theory of L > > are rejected as not a truth bearers. > > How can there not be a Yes or No answer? Either X IS or it IS NOT a theory of L, as either a proof exists or it doesn't. If X is non-sense, then it isn't a theory of L, as you can't prove non-sense to be true in a non-contradictory L. So, how can THOSE questions not be a truth bearers? You don't seem to understad what Truth actually is. I guess your logic is that there is no such thing as a non-contradictory field of study. But that is just because you don't seem to understand how logic actually works. >>> Whether an expression is a truth bearer is not >>> relevant. Either there is a valid proof of that formula or there >>> is not. No third possibility. >>> >> >> > >