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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Grand Apagon - Electricity (not) in Spain Date: Fri, 9 May 2025 13:24:51 +0200 Lines: 72 Message-ID: <3951flxu43.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> References: <vv25ad$r3ti$1@dont-email.me> <vv5q3r$647n$1@dont-email.me> <vv6vjh$19ddn$2@dont-email.me> <ff3kelxmm6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <vv8i6e$2o41i$1@dont-email.me> <6r0lelx0c8.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <vv990t$3gsv4$1@dont-email.me> <kvkmelxf9k.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <6cgh1k9mkuae63gn4dd8ej49o3au4m0l67@4ax.com> <1rbvfbs.10nr9w6pkdoawN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <vvckil$2k8fj$1@dont-email.me> <sn4pelxjs.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <vvcv7e$2tnvd$1@dont-email.me> <ajrpelxjql.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <vve0b0$3r29s$1@dont-email.me> <8brrelxb35.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <vvfiir$10k3s$1@dont-email.me> <ic0selx3dm.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <vvfmht$11iac$1@dont-email.me> <evtselxgev.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <vvgonn$19stn$1@dont-email.me> <vvi2n4$1n4pj$1@dont-email.me> <vvi5nh$1o2vk$1@dont-email.me> <1rc0oft.1h2ds9jqdz9guN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <vvj20m$2325o$1@dont-email.me> <vvj73q$248uj$2@dont-email.me> <vvkdud$2m01i$1@dont-email.me> <vvklv8$2nsb0$1@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net /prA2/Nm06EEOFCwtGbNUwYwFkUHIeUaKyDXyXk0bEoeZHIHmB X-Orig-Path: Telcontar.valinor!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:qwIbrs5GoFZMFqQ7Q6E+Cbp0zmM= sha256:7onxl9hAAfYn2dgQ4XAH5SsSwspmnR+DHzAVeXo2S08= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: es-ES, en-CA In-Reply-To: <vvklv8$2nsb0$1@dont-email.me> On 2025-05-09 12:38, Don Y wrote: > On 5/9/2025 1:21 AM, Martin Brown wrote: >> On 08/05/2025 22:18, Don Y wrote: >>> On 5/8/2025 12:51 PM, KevinJ93 wrote: >>>> When the coal miner's strike power usage reductions were in effect I >>>> was working at Marconi-Elliott in Borehamwood. We were not allowed >>>> to have the lights or heating on but it was permitted to use test >>>> equipment so we would huddle around our Tektronix 547 scopes to keep >>>> warm, they used to put out a lot of heat. >>> >>> The only "utility" that I can recall being VOLUNTARILY rationed was >>> water, >>> back east, during a period of drought. We were "strongly discouragd" >>> from watering lawns, washing cars (car washes are far more efficient >>> at this as they recycle the water), etc. >> >> We also live on the watershed for that. Just far enough north to be on >> the copious Northumbrian water supply (intended for all the now >> defunct steelworks) but with sewage outflow going downhill to >> Yorkshire Water. > > We always had ample water -- so it was *common* to use a hose as a broom. > Or, to water a lawn, wash a car in the driveway, etc. > > The "drought restrictions" were a bit of a shock to people as everyone > always thought water was limitless. Driving around town there were > many reservoirs -- some in places where only a single lane road would > separate you from the reservoir to your left vs. the one on your right. > >> It has great advantages - Yorkshire Water has many leaks and not >> enough reservoirs so hose pipe bans are almost inevitable every >> summer. One particularly bad year they were moving drinking water in >> tankers from Northumberland Water to Yorkshire to maintain supply. >> When it gets really serious they have had to resort to stand pipes in >> the street. >> >> Looks like this year will be a bumper year for drought orders as there >> hasn't been any significant rain here for nearly a month now and we >> have have broken record temperatures for May already. Reservoirs in >> sensitive areas are at abnormally low levels for this time of year. > > We've (here) been in a state of drought for ~25 years. And, that's > with an normal annual precipitation of ~11 inches. The shift in mindset > is astonishing -- to go from ~50 in/yr to less than a quarter of that. > And, for it to be confined to just 2.5 months out of the year... > >>> Here, of course (desert southwest), peer pressure and threats of fines >>> tend to keep folks inline. >>> >>> The idea of using a garden hose to "sweep" debris off your >>> driveway or sidewalk would be met with a gasp and a glare. >> >> Fair enough. Where I live the water supply is the huge Kielder >> reservoir built to service a once thriving major steel industry on >> Teesside. Even if it didn't rain at all for a year we would still be >> on supply. >> >> Next village is on Yorkshire and often get hosepipe bans in summer. > > We "store" water in the ground. The hope being that we can extract > it when the time comes. > > There have been some foreign companies exploiting our water supplies > (deep wells to farm and then export the farmed products). I htink > there is some action being taken to confound this practice. > Yesterday I heard on the news that most cities in the USA are sinking down, due to water extraction from wells. -- Cheers, Carlos.