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Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: ChatGPT refutes the key rebuttal of my work Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 20:06:05 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <39917bac9e5356a7f212d1f96c98c29e6cb0b140@i2pn2.org> References: <vegfro$lk27$9@dont-email.me> <veimqs$14que$1@dont-email.me> <veipf3$15764$1@dont-email.me> <36ecdefcca730806c7bd9ec03e326fac1a9c8464@i2pn2.org> <vejcoj$1879f$1@dont-email.me> <vel9ct$1l118$1@dont-email.me> <velorl$1n3gb$5@dont-email.me> <veopa8$2ameu$1@dont-email.me> <veoq8a$29dtl$5@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2024 00:06:05 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2363984"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <veoq8a$29dtl$5@dont-email.me> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3426 Lines: 59 On 10/16/24 12:39 PM, olcott wrote: > On 10/16/2024 11:23 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-10-15 12:57:25 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> On 10/15/2024 3:33 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2024-10-14 15:18:43 +0000, olcott said: >>>> >>>>> On 10/14/2024 7:06 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>> Am Mon, 14 Oct 2024 04:49:22 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>> On 10/14/2024 4:04 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2024-10-13 12:53:12 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Although it is possible for LLM systems to lie: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ChatGPT does correctly apply truth preserving operations to the >>>>>>>>> premises that it was provided regarding the behavior of DDD and >>>>>>>>> HHH. >>>>>>>>> *Try to find a mistake in its reasoning* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No reasoning shown. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://chatgpt.com/share/6709e046-4794-8011-98b7-27066fb49f3e >>>>>>> When you click on the link and try to explain how HHH must be >>>>>>> wrong when >>>>>>> it reports that DDD does not terminate because DDD does terminate it >>>>>>> will explain your mistake to you. >>>>>> It is nonsensical for HHH not to report that DDD terminates. >>>>>> >>>>> The explanation is quite good. I will take what you said >>>>> to mean that it was over your head or didn't bother to >>>>> look at it. >>>>> >>>>> You never confirmed that you even know what infinite >>>>> recursion is. >>>> >>>> Could you confirm that you know whether there is an infinite recursion >>>> in DDD? >>>> >>> >>> Recursive emulation is isomorphic to recursion. >>> >>> The following is to be understood only within my >>> stipulative definitions of terms provided in my first >>> reply to you today. >>> >>> Recursive emulation that does not have a termination >>> condition within the c function under test is infinite. >>> >>> This refers to my stipulative definition of terms >>> provided in my first reply to you. To the best of my >>> knowledge these definitions are also industry standard. >> >> This can be interpreted as an overly verbose 'No'. >> > > I will equally say that you are wrong. > WHich just proves that you know you have no correct basis for your claims and know you are just a pathological liar.