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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.org> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 12:39:17 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <3b4d6b95bdde0ecc281f4511eb4632922e9fff8e@i2pn2.org> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vhb1mu$6hbv$4@dont-email.me> <vhb32t$7ese$1@dont-email.me> <vhch7n$hge9$2@dont-email.me> <vhcieh$jjk5$1@dont-email.me> <vhcjg5$hdd4$3@dont-email.me> <vhckkh$k32g$1@dont-email.me> <vhcp0r$hge9$6@dont-email.me> <vhd7d7$nt37$1@dont-email.me> <vhd9lq$obb0$1@dont-email.me> <vhdl0k$qltl$1@dont-email.me> <vhfqcv$1adld$1@dont-email.me> <vhfso7$1bik6$1@dont-email.me> <vhg0h8$1adlc$4@dont-email.me> <vhgd9j$1eq8t$1@dont-email.me> <vhgebm$1eu67$2@dont-email.me> <vhgfo7$1f8j9$1@dont-email.me> <vhiak4$1sjsn$2@dont-email.me> <vhif57$1u588$1@dont-email.me> <vhkj7j$25fe$2@dont-email.me> <87babad37e3024a0fb219567f6fb2b7c46ff5eb7@i2pn2.org> <vhlaj1$7jan$2@dont-email.me> <ed7c39e15e18de4498880a0035735ebbacd9a325@i2pn2.org> <vhn6pr$kgge$2@dont-email.me> <4272642d272e86ca32e5a4c8057edd2336d2c5c1@i2pn2.org> <cfafed3b-f7cc-4ccd-b896-1f4e41743944@tha.de> <vhos1g$t9m9$1@dont-email.me> <vhpd1h$139mr$1@dont-email.me> <vhps7r$15kfd$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2024 12:39:17 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3627427"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3512 Lines: 38 Am Fri, 22 Nov 2024 13:08:28 +0100 schrieb WM: > On 22.11.2024 08:49, Moebius wrote: >> Am 22.11.2024 um 03:58 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>> On 11/21/2024 1:45 PM, WM wrote: >>>> On 21.11.2024 22:05, joes wrote: > >>>>>> Counting concerns every single number. >>>>> Every single natural can be counted to. >>>> Nonsense. >> Proof by induction: > Induction proves that every initial segment of endsegments has an > infinite intersection. True. But not the intersection of all of them, since that is the (ugh) infinite initial segment, and "infinite" itself is not a natural number covered by induction - only all the naturals themselves. >> 1 can be counted to (obviously). If n (where n is a natural number) can >> be counted to, then n+1 can be counted to (obviously). Hence for each >> and every natural numbers n: n can be counted too. qed > But not all endsegments have an infinite intersection. Yes they do (with what?). > All endsegments have an empty intersection. No, all segments have an infinite intersection with each other, namely the one that comes "later", with a larger index. > Since every endsegment can lose only one > number, there must be infinitely many endsegments involved in reducing > the intersection from infinite to empty. Exactly. That is all of them, there are infinitely segments. >>> What one cannot be counted to? > Just the indices involved in reducing the intersection from infinite to > empty. They are dark. They don't exist. That is why they are disregarded. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.