Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: mpsilvertone@yahoo.com (HarryLime)
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: I Met A Girl / Will Dockery
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 13:26:49 +0000
Organization: novaBBS
Message-ID: <3d3fd72cd6a949d3814e8dafb2698c02@www.novabbs.com>
References: <d277590b-b7a4-4552-9c9b-8bd31d67c058n@googlegroups.com> <BaOcnTfe_K374QL6nZ2dnZfqn_gAAAAA@giganews.com> <ed1246c11b26c282c6238e80aacb04de@www.novabbs.com> <f53ea53efdc8152dc2b4c0fec4705cd8@www.novabbs.com> <2be4d3111792e7366cab3909e2835c30@www.novabbs.com> <60dfaaf54cca2f169f9a2e4825c79784@www.novabbs.com> <7f6758c7e9ca14adb08a11084d70daa3@www.novabbs.com> <7e4a0ff829c727d13a0fe123821fc1a9@www.novabbs.com> <9f058960ba28731d77e1f20380b0d876@www.novabbs.com> <c05524063282fafcc578f1aa315f389a@www.novabbs.com> <982fae577b34f9ab6bac9f56fad94c48@www.novabbs.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: i2pn2.org;
	logging-data="783597"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org";
	posting-account="9yNNWN6S3jCL2bQghupeZ7yt9QQF3aIiWb2guQimaIw";
User-Agent: Rocksolid Light
X-Rslight-Posting-User: e04a750cbe04de725ce24a46bcc3953c76236e3b
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0
X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$FHORu1d0J/Bu.xCpEo9fyeKwqEmrjl78zFUhtZpBhpjQ3seMqrKWG

On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 21:35:34 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 13:14:11 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 23:42:12 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>>
>>> HarryLime wrote:
>>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 21:14:42 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 18:12:37 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's the original unedited version so the readers can decide for
>>>>>>>>> themselves:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I Met A Girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I met a girl
>>>>>>>>>>>> she came from California.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was in a dream
>>>>>>>>>>>> we knew each other instantly.
>>>>>>>>>>>> She was a little freckled girl
>>>>>>>>>>>> from out of
>>>>>>>>>>>> my high school past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And she looked up at me
>>>>>>>>>>>> and talked real spacey.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've forgotten her name
>>>>>>>>>>>> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We talked
>>>>>>>>>>>> a really detached situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>> She said years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was so shy
>>>>>>>>>>>> she thought I was gay.
>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point I kissed her
>>>>>>>>>>>> and put my finger to her hole.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And she looked up at me
>>>>>>>>>>>> and talked real spacey.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have forgotten her name
>>>>>>>>>>>> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know why it was
>>>>>>>>>>>> that I would think of her.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I made a couple of puns
>>>>>>>>>>>> about her name that made me blush.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But her softness in tone
>>>>>>>>>>>> made me feel all right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All I want to do
>>>>>>>>>>>> is get in contact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Will Dockery / May 8 1982
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a very strange dream sequence, Will.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This poem was written in 1982, during my time in the Atlanta Georgia New
>>>>>>>>> Wave punk rock scene, while also influenced by the earlier Beatnik poets
>>>>>>>>> I was reading at the time, such as Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac and
>>>>>>>>> Charles Bukowski among others.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It does sound a bit like Bukowski. It actually reminded me most of a
>>>>>>>> Bukowski wannabe who used to post here, who shall go nameless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Both styles employed a sort of crude swagger in the tone and content
>>>>>>>>> which I also used in many of my poems.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All apologies to those offended.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HTH and HAND.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't see why anyone in their right mind would be offended by a dream
>>>>>>>> you had more than 40 years ago; but given some of the people nn the
>>>>>>>> group these days, it's probably best to cover oneself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Harry Lime aka Michael Pendragon is apparently in a tizzy over it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. I noticed him writing about it another thread, writing about this
>>>>>> poem, which is what brought me here to check it out in the first place.
>>>>>> He was of course misrepresenting it as a real incident, rather than a
>>>>>> dream you'd written a poem about, hoping no one would come here to check
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again, George, and bumped, since Michael Pendragon is in a tizzy
>>>>> trying to bury the post.
>>>>
>>>> Did you share a real life "romantic interlude" with the little freckled
>>>> girl or not?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> No, like the poem states, it was in a dream.
>>
>> It doesn't matter if it was a dream
>
> If course it matters.
>
> Dreams are different from reality, don't you agree?

Your poem presents a scenario wherein it is considered not only
acceptable, but a "romantic interlude," for one to aggressively grope
(and finger) the vagina of a "girl" you had just met at a bar.

Whether this scenario took place in real life or in a dream doesn't
alter the fact that it is presented in a positive light within the
narrative of the poem.

-- Michael Pendragon

“It was very clear it was consensual in the poem.
For example, the girl didn't slap me or yell at me or anything.” – Will
Donkey

--