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Subject: Re: I Met A Girl / Will Dockery
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On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 14:11:15 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 21:00:42 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 20:39:26 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 20:29:40 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>> HarryLime wrote:
>>>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's the original unedited version so the readers can decide for
>>>>>>>>>> themselves:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I Met A Girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I met a girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>> she came from California.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was in a dream
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we knew each other instantly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> She was a little freckled girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my high school past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And she looked up at me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and talked real spacey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've forgotten her name
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We talked
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a really detached situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> She said years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was so shy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> she thought I was gay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point I kissed her
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and put my finger to her hole.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And she looked up at me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and talked real spacey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have forgotten her name
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know why it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I would think of her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I made a couple of puns
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about her name that made me blush.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But her softness in tone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> made me feel all right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All I want to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is get in contact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Will Dockery / May 8 1982
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This poem was written in 1982, during my time in the Atlanta Georgia New
>>>>>>>>>> Wave punk rock scene, while also influenced by the earlier Beatnik poets
>>>>>>>>>> I was reading at the time, such as Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac and
>>>>>>>>>> Charles Bukowski among others.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Both styles employed a sort of crude swagger in the tone and content
>>>>>>>>>> which I also used in many of my poems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All apologies to those offended.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suppose that's a start.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course, an apologize is supposed to include owning up to one's
>>>>>>>>> mistake -- not attempting to justify it as beatnik inspired swagger.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You need to recognize that groping a woman you've just met is wrong.
>>>>>>>>> Regardless of whether she's a punk rocker, or that you were acting under
>>>>>>>>> the influence of beatnik poets.  Groping is wrong
>>
>> I didn't grope her.
>>
>>>>>>>> You're misrepresenting the scene again, Pendragon. We were just having
>>>>>>>> some fun, kissing and "making out" a little, as the young folks used to
>>>>>>>> call it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nothing as serious as you want to make it out to be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HTH and HAND.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your poem makes it out to be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, that's just your misrepresentation of my poem, Pendragon.
>>>
>>>> Mainly, you continue to lie and misrepresent, Harry.
>>>>
>>>>> Answer my question
>>
>> I did, and continue to.
>>
>> See below:
>>
>>>> Okay, see below for my answer.
>>>>
>>>>> If you ran into some guy you'd barely known in high school
>>
>> I know a lot of people from all walks of life, so such a meeting would
>> be welcome.
>>
>> If of course give him a autographed copy of my poetry book.
>>
>>>> Since that would be a completely different situation from the one in my
>>>> poem there would have been a completely different outcome.
>>>
>>> What's so different about it
>>
>> You don't know the difference between straight and gay sex?
>>
>> -- apart from the fact that you're the one
>>> getting groped?
>>
>>
>> I didn't grope anyone.
>>
>>> --
>>
>> The events in my poem were consensual.
>>
>> Look that word up, Harry.
>
> "Consensual" is a label that you have applied to your poem in order to
> justify the narrative to yourself.
>
> Again, I'm asking you to consider how you would feel if you had been the
> one getting groped.
>
> That you gender identify as heterosexual is 100% beside the point.
>
> When you have just met someone

We know each other a few years earlier, at Carver High School.

> you recognized
> their face from high school five years earlier),

That's correct.

> you have no means of
> determining what level

You might not have


I did.

> of sexual contact (if any) they're open to

Again, you might not, I could tell.

Obviously I had more experience in the art of love and romance than you
did then, possibly even now, Pendragon.

> that particular time and place

No, it was a "no brsiner" really.

> Men often misread social cues

Often but not always.

Definitely not this time.

> from a woman, mistaking friendliness for
> flirting

That's possible, and in such a case the person really needs to at least
say no, or stop.

That would be all the instruction I would have needed.

>  Just because you were feeling attracted to her

And the feeling was definitely mutual.

> that doesn't mean that she was also feeling attracted to you
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