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On 2 Jun 2025 08:28:17 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

>Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 6/1/2025 5:12 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>>> On Thu Dec 12 18:37:02 2024 Frank Krygowski  wrote:
>>>> On 12/12/2024 2:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 12/12/2024 11:51 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/12/2024 8:48 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/12/2024 7:19 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/11/2024 4:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So you agree with me that the crucial aspects are the actor and the
>>>>>>> act, not the hardware.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To a certain extent.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If every human being could be trusted to act responsibly, allowing a
>>>>>> device that was developed expressly to kill other human beings to be
>>>>>> possessed without any restrictions wouldn't be a problem.
>>>> 
>>>> But in that case, why would a person possess such a device? Some level
>>>> of intent to kill is what drives ownership.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, yes, I know that Andrew is not intent on killing when he takes his
>>>> AR to the range. But somewhere in there is "practicing in case I need
>>>> it" as motivation. That is, the motivation is not to put closely spaced
>>>> holes in paper, because a .177 air rifle can do that as well or better.
>>>> Somewhere is "I can blast away and destroy."
>>>> 
>>>>>> Following your posit to the extreme, there should be no reason
>>>>>> therefore to prevent me from mounting a fully- operational m134
>>>>>> minigun on the roof of my car. Hey, I'm a responsible adult, never
>>>>>> been arrested, I've never committed any acts of violence, even had a
>>>>>> security clearance for a time. If the criteria is _solely_ 'the actor
>>>>>> and the act', why shouldn't I be able to do that?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why shouldn't _any_ one who has never had any history of violent
>>>>>> behavior _not_ be allowed to own weapons of war? It's not like people
>>>>>> with no history of violence have _ever_ engaged in a mass shooting....
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, you could.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tedious lengthy process plus $200 will get you your very own NFA tax
>>>>> stamp,
>>>> 
>>>> But nobody does that without harboring at least the image of using such
>>>> a gun to kill other people.
>>>> 
>>>> I think it's a bit weird even when it's confined to the world of video
>>>> games. But when it leads to possession and proliferation of devices
>>>> designed for such killing, it's a real societal problem.
>>> 
>>> Tell me Frank, what does it feel like for the law itself to disagree with you? 
>> 
>> Damn, Tom, what does it feel like to have to resurrect arguments from 
>> December 12 to feel good about yourself? Have you been constantly 
>> stewing over that for almost six months?
>
>I suspect in this case it’s incompetence rather than deliberate!
>Roger Merriman

The 6 month delay is not Tom's incompetence or malice.  Tom is using
newshosting.com as his Usenet News service and his news reader
program:
<https://www.newshosting.com/newsreader/>
I tried it and soon found that it supports various ways of displaying
a thread of articles.  Some combinations work, while others stumble
over duplicate message ID's, corrupted message ID's, and probably
other bugs.  An easy one to see is in the NNTP header of Tom's
messages, which all contain a growing number of alternating "Re:" and
"re:" tags.  Something like this:
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Machine Shop
There are probably other bugs, which have not been addressed by the
vendor.  I could blame the vendor for offering a buggy news reader. Or
I could blame Tom for knowingly using a buggy news reader.  Of course,
Tom has ignored my recommended news reader.  There are some other
possible reasons.  


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