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From: Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
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Subject: Re: Batteries - EV Conversion
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On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 10:00:08 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:

>On 2/28/2025 7:09 PM, bp@www.zefox.net wrote:
>> Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:
>>> On 2/27/2025 5:10 PM, bp@www.zefox.net wrote:
>>>> Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The sheet metal behind it is all perfect for its age. 2013 Dodge Ram
>>>>> 1500 Extended Cab.  Its a Dodge.  I am sure there is stuff that doesn't
>>>>> work, but cosmetically it could be a nice truck."  Yuma, Az
>>>>>
>>>> Apologies for the oversight....must have skipped it.
>>>
>>> Its all good.  If it wasn't more a rant than a creative post it would
>>> have stood out more.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I rarely if ever offer anything for free anymore.  To many vultures out
>>>>> there who profiteer off of it, rather than people with a real need who
>>>>> would appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> 2013 is much newer than I imagined. Is scrapping it an improvement?
>>>
>>> My initial thought was to be good to a renter who had been good to us,
>>> and may come back to the area at some future date.  Disposing of a
>>> vehicle without any cost to myself.  That it turned out to be a rather
>>> nice truck was a bonus (and a curse).  Scrapping probably pays for the
>>> time I will have in dealing with it since they gave me the title.
>>>
>>> Its a curse because if it wasn't decent I would have no issue with
>>> dragging it up on a trailer and hauling it to a salvage yard.  Straight
>>> body, haven't noticed any rust, and the interior is intact.  All the
>>> bits and pieces laying in the bed to put the grill back together look
>>> okay too.  I have a hard time just "throwing it away," even if I'll get
>>> paid for it.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I used to, but I grew weary of chasing off carrion
>>>>> eaters.  If I stumble across somebody, but not to the general public
>>>>> maybe.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are people who cruise the marketplace, craigslist, next door, etc
>>> looking for opportunities to profiteer.  I don't have an issue with it
>>> on principle if they are not vultures preying on the weak or tweakers
>>> looking for a quick buck to buy an 8-ball.  There are legit salvage and
>>> rebuild buyers as well.  Unfortunately when I see far more of the former
>>> than the later when I offer something cheap or free to help somebody out.
>>>
>>> I'm not against a good deal, but I am against theft.
>>>
>>>> If you have the time that seems like the most productive use for it.
>>>> If it could be put back on the road for something close to the cost
>>>> of a similar used truck it sounds worthwhile. A straight, rust-free
>>>> body is irreplaceable.
>>>
>>> Yeah, putting a new reman engine in it would the most labor, but the
>>> least cost in materials to put it back on the road.
>> 
>> Any hope of finding a decent used engine?
>
>Its always possible, but the OEM for this was a 4.7L V8.  A 
>remanufactured 4.7 is 3 grand or less.  The balance is that you aren't 
>supposed to reuse the intake ($900), and you should use a new water 
>pump, alternator, gaskets etc.  Stuff that can leave you stranded use 
>new.  I figure with incidentals it might run another 3 grand in other 
>parts.  6 grand.  Maybe less if I spend more time shopping.  I know 
>plenty of people buy used engines or repaired grade engines, but I 
>wouldn't go with less than a reman if I went that way.  Its to much work 
>to have to do twice in short order.
>
>> 
>>> I'm still actually
>>> leaning towards an EV if I can find the right stuff.  The Chinese are
>>> leaps and bounds ahead of the US EV market.  I can buy a new Chinese
>>> 200hp (which would be good for this application) even cheaper than the
>>> Ford Mach-E, but I find the same problem.  A lack of supply (that I can
>>> buy) for everything to make it work.
>>>
>>   
>> An EV is a worthy experiment. Thought about it myself. But a handmade
>> conversion won't be worth much, even if it works, to anybody but the
>> originator once the experiment is complete. The learning curve for the
>> new owner is going to be steep.  From the numbers you mentioned
>> earlier that sounds like it might get pricey, ~20k or something. A
>> used standard production EV can be resold for most of its purchase
>> price unless the battery drops dead.
>> 
>> I very much like the idea of an EV built with commodity components
>> as opposed to the proprietary designs prevailing in the marketplace.
>> A pickup truck seems on the face of it a good platform; lots of space
>> and no severe performance demands. But, it's a big project in time,
>> knowledge and money.
>
>I asked one of my drive suppliers if an industrial high voltage inverter 
>could be used for an EV controller.  Polyspede makes them rated upto 
>500HP and input voltage from 380-480.  A regenerative 200HP Polyspede 
>sells for about 4 grand.  For the bigger ones the price jumps quickly. 
>One rated at 400HP is almost 10 grand.  My thought was remove the 
>rectifier, and tap in at the inverter with battery voltage, or atleast 
>at whatever they use for a voltage regulator.  Should be a little 
>cheaper to make, and have a much broader demand outside of industrial 
>only applications.  They already have all kinds of control inputs and 
>outputs designed in.  In application it should run from a standard pedal 
>control (pot), or have a switch to a closed loop application for "cruise 
>control" without any other expensive circuitry.  I have not heard back 
>from them.  LOL.
>
>
>> One of my neighbors had a Tesla, which mysteriously dissapeared. When
>> I asked what happend, I was told that in hot weather the car turned
>> itself on when parked to run the AC to cool the batteries. That was
>> a wrinkle I never imagined.
>
>I've never noticed my wife's Niro powering up anything to cool the 
>batteries.  It gets parked in the garage, but this is SW Arizona.  The 
>garage gets quite hot in the summer.  It has to park inside the garage, 
>because that's where I installed the charging station.
>
>FYI:  Anybody with fair to decent household electrical knowledge can 
>install a level 2 charger.  I went with a Schumacher, because it was 
>considerably less money than the Kia/Hyundai charger.  Level 1 chargers 
>can just plug into a wall outlet.
>
>
>> 
>> Likely there are more 8-)
>> 
>> Thanks for writing, and good luck....
>> 
>> bob prohaska
>
>
>
>
>>   
>
>
>-- 
>Bob La Londe
>CNC Molds N Stuff
Get a late model wreck and do a transplant - -r what all the hot-rof
guys are foing now - drop an LS in it. Lots of them available with
decent low mileage from trashed GM vehicles and parts are EVERYWHERE -
including all the bits you need to do the swap.