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Subject: Re: Who knows that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly
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On 8/5/2024 2:33 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2024-08-04 12:35:04 +0000, olcott said:
> 
>> On 8/4/2024 6:12 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 8/3/24 11:00 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 8/3/2024 9:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 8/3/24 7:36 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/3/2024 5:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/3/24 6:15 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/3/2024 5:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The problem is that every one of those emulation is of a 
>>>>>>>>> *DIFFERENT* input, so they don't prove anything together except 
>>>>>>>>> that each one didn't go far enough.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>>>    return;
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When each HHH correctly emulates 0 to infinity steps of
>>>>>>>> its corresponding DDD and none of them reach the "return"
>>>>>>>> halt state of DDD then even the one that emulated infinite
>>>>>>>> steps of DDD did not emulate enough steps?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just says lying YOU.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You got any source for that other than yourself?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is self-evident and you know it. I do have four
>>>>>> people (two with masters in CS) that attest to that.
>>>>>> *It is as simple as I can possibly make it*
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe to your mind filled with false facts, but it isn't true.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder how you think that you are not swearing your
>>>>>> allegiance to that father of lies?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because, I know I speak the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you not think you are lying?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone that truly understands infinite recursion knows
>>>>>> that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach
>>>>>> its own "return" final state.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, but for every other HHH, which the ones that answer are, it 
>>>>> isn't a fact.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Surpisingly (to me) Jeff Barnett set the record straight
>>>>>> on exactly what halting means.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, there is one, and only one definition, it is a machine that 
>>>>> reaches its final state.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note, *a machine*, not a (partial) emulation of the machine
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You already know that a complete emulation of a non-ending
>>>> sequence is impossible and you already acknowledged that
>>>> DDD emulated by HHH that never aborts is non-ending.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> WHy do you say it is impossible, it just takes forever,
>>
>> A complete emulation is after all of the instructions have been
>> emulated. That never happens with any infinite execution.
> 
> No, that is not what the words mean. A complete emulation is one that is
> continued as long as it can be continued. THe emulation is completed when
> all of its instructions are executed. A complete emulaton  that can be
> continues forever is complete but never completed.
> 

That is incorrect. A completed task is a task where
there are no more steps to be accomplished.

When someone has completed the task of painting there house
they are all done. They do not have infinite steps left to go.
*It seems like you are simply being dishonest*
Are you being dishonest for trollish reasons?

Until you find any example where a task that has infinite
steps remaining can in any way be construed as complete,
a reasonable person would assume that you are not telling
the truth.


-- 
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