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On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 17:45:24 -0000 (UTC), vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Apr 2025 12:30:00 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Apr 2025 11:01:33 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Mon, 07 Apr 2025 11:34:40 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
>>>Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>
>>>>That Doom has been ported to pretty much everything is a known fact,
>>>>but if you want to keep up with the ridiculousness, there's a reddit
>>>>forum https://www.reddit.com/r/itrunsdoom/ for that
>>>>
>>>>It amuses me that now that, given that Doom runs on so many different
>>>>hardware platforms, the new drive seems to be virtualizing the game
>>>>onto different software platforms... like Outlook or Typescript.
>>>>
>>>>Not that I'm complaining. We need more Doom everywhere... if only to
>>>>piss off the ghost of US Senator Lieberman. ;-)
>>>>
>>>DOOM is actually running on his gravestone, just for giggles.
>> 
>> Actually, "Night Trap" would probably offend him more. That was -for
>> reasons nobody understood- is the hill he went to war over. Well, that
>> and "Mortal Kombat". "Doom" was almost a secondary concern (after all,
>> nobody played PC games; only console tiles mattered in 1995 ;-).
>> 
>> TIL that Jack Thompson is still alive. But he remains disbarred, so we
>> still got that.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (What, me hold a grudge? ;-)
>
>I looked up "Night Trap" -- rated T for Teen.  Looks fairly innocuous.
>I don't think Liebermann was playing with a full deck.

It absolutely was; that's what made it so ridiculous that it was
targeted the way it was. But it was one of the earliest games to
feature full-motion video (as opposed to cartoon sprites), which added
a 'realism' to it that startled a lot of people who still thought of
video-games as Space Invaders and Pong. Plus, some of those videos
featured brief shots of young women who were scantily clad; horrors!
A lot of the people upset about the game also didn't comprehend that
video-games were no longer only aimed at 8-12 year-old market (e.g.,
Nintendo NES) and were being played by adults. 

      [The 90s were actually quite interesting in that it was an 
       era when the idea that adults could still be as playful as
       kids was starting to come into popularity. The idea that you 
       might, at age 30, still play D&D or read comics (sorry,   
      'graphic novels' or play video-games or have an interest in 
       Lego, or any other 'childish' toy was almost unheard of 
       prior to that. Adults were expected to 'put away their 
       childish things' as they got older, and those who still had
       collections of toys were considered freakish. But this       
       started changing in the 90s and nowadays is considered 
       -by many- to be the new norm. But the message hadn't gotten
       out to quite everyone, and thus you had conflicts like the
       above, where some people just couldn't fathom why some
       games might have adult sensibilities.]

On the other hand, the eventual outcome of all that fuss was the
current rating systems on games, which -overall- I think was
beneficial to the industry. Letting people know what games contain is
useful information, and not only if you have kids.