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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: gun carrry on bikes Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 18:20:24 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 189 Message-ID: <413cejdsg3pndb8uqd9iru0vs6v6grpgjs@4ax.com> References: <vc065r$l0sd$3@dont-email.me> <vc1d41$scvq$2@dont-email.me> <TVWEO.203902$kpic.201042@fx15.ams4> <vc1f53$ssl8$1@dont-email.me> <jL_EO.385225$grz1.291350@fx03.ams4> <vc1urd$vige$2@dont-email.me> <1r%EO.304287$kpic.194284@fx15.ams4> <7g19ejd7f87rbnjhp7o81fm27vb7v5vv07@4ax.com> <HG0FO.731584$azJ4.425506@fx16.ams4> <l269ejl2qv33b902c7f1lir48biu8d6rl7@4ax.com> <BacFO.733442$azJ4.36608@fx16.ams4> <vc45tj$1gaju$5@dont-email.me> <vc4sn4$1li1o$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 00:20:26 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c138f87dd4a2e90af99429abddc08b6c"; logging-data="1808597"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18DKPI6SSySDZbeu2VCPJJcdZiId9xj5yI=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:0x8lkVnLpJBI+8T/oCK7MQg/P+Q= Bytes: 8878 On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:46:26 -0400, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >On 9/14/2024 10:17 AM, AMuzi wrote: >> On 9/14/2024 3:53 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:48:55 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:23:57 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 9/13/2024 12:37 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 9/13/2024 8:15 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:57 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:50 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 6:45 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 5:40 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 16:13:42 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Understood. Your near-default point is "Everyone's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision is correct." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is "You don't need to go to extremes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be safe, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially on a bike." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is that safe is a subjective evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel safe on a bicycle sidepath, you don't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You feel safe on a bicycle sidepath only if you've got a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handgun ready to draw and fire within a second or two. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. Suits his situation, in his personal evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As always, when seconds matter, 911 is just twenty minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> away. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "His situation" is shared by many other path users. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>> betting he's the only one so afraid as to never ride without >>>>>>>>>>>>> his gun. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe not for those previously mugged. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There seems to be lack of equipment to carry a gun on a bike, >>>>>>>>>>> and indeed >>>>>>>>>>> it?s not mentioned by American YouTubers and so on. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It appears not to be sold which suggests doesn?t really have a >>>>>>>>>>> market, and >>>>>>>>>>> you can buy all sorts of cycling accessories for you phone and >>>>>>>>>>> so on. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let alone that from how he described it, it?s a nice >>>>>>>>>>> pleasurable place to >>>>>>>>>>> ride. Doesn?t sound risky or deprived which often are linked >>>>>>>>>>> for well >>>>>>>>>>> reasons. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That he wants to and so on, well that?s his choice and so on >>>>>>>>>>> but doesn?t >>>>>>>>>>> sound like he rides in a risky area. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Easily fabricated as Mr Tricycle has or just one click on >>>>>>>>>> Amazon: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/bikase-gunkase-motorcycle-subcompact- >>>>>>>>>> handguns/dp/b0839m7t3y >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'll bet you £1 that your local London area shop doesn't >>>>>>>>>> stock them. Different market entirely. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I admire his initiative and effort to do so but that?s kinda of >>>>>>>>> the point, >>>>>>>>> I suspect that your bike shop and one?s local to Him would also >>>>>>>>> not stock >>>>>>>>> them or similar. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As it?s just not a thing for most cyclists after all if it was >>>>>>>>> be more than >>>>>>>>> random Amazon bits. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We stock it and sell them occasionally. Less than inner >>>>>>>> tubes, but some. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That I?m mildly surprised by, though I?m still unconvinced it?s >>>>>>> common or >>>>>>> more bike related company?s would make such stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Roger Merriman >>>>>> >>>>>> The Catrike is a unique situation. There's no way to put on a >>>>>> handlebar bag or a top bar bag, or the little holster shown above. >>>>>> I've been working with PVC pipe a lot: >>>>> >>>>> Even so it?s clearly not a common thing or item,I?d suspect that a >>>>> hand gun >>>>> with its shape weight would need to be be somewhat ungainly weight >>>>> in a bar >>>>> or top bag, I?d assume be fine with MTB backpacks/hydration packs as >>>>> they >>>>> tend to have lots of pockets and be made with more durable/stuff >>>>> material. >>>> >>>> My Bersa thunder weighs 20 oz empty. Height 4.9" length 1.3 " >>>> >>>> Nine .380 rds weighs another 3 or 4 oz. The whole package is about the >>>> same weight as a 24 oz bottle of water and much smaller. >>>> https://bersausa.com/product/thunder-380/ >>> >>> Less it’s absolute weight more that it’s going focus it’s weight due its >>> shape and size, and certainly with bar bags (along the handlebars) unless >>> it’s a fairly packed bag it’s going to get tossed about, and so on. >>> >>> Likewise jersey pockets and so on likely to sub par so for folks who do >>> unless it’s a fairly relaxed man on a bike types would need to find some >>> solutions. >>>> >>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992548551/in/datetaken/ >>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992540086/in/datetaken/ >>>>>> >>>>>> and it looked easier than it was. It involved heating and bending the >>>>>> Pvc Pipe and quickly cooling it to lock the shape. Then cutting and >>>>>> grinding make it so the Kydex holster fit and locked into it. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53145141933/in/datetaken/ >>>>>> >>>>>> The Kydex holster is important because it protects the trigger. I can >>>>>> use that same Kydex holster with out any changes to clip onto my belt >>>>>> for inside the waistband carry. >>>>>> >>>>> I do admire the effort even if I don?t see the usefulness of it as you >>>>> were. >> >> The Ancients seemed to manage quite well: >> >> https://onlinebicyclemuseum.co.uk/1890s-velodog-pistol-french-cyclists- >> dog-scarer/ >> >> These and similar were wildly popular. > >To summarize? There are some niche products to allow cyclists (and >motorcyclists, and hikers, etc.) to carry handguns. They are certainly >not common. > >There was a time when riders were sold handguns to scare away dogs. But >"wildly popular?" I'd like to see data. Riding in present day France, >and reading extensively about French cycling, I've never come across >evidence that those or any other guns are ever carried while riding. > >Come to think of it, we still haven't found anyone here saying they >commonly carry a gun while riding. Well, except one person, a man who >said riding on a normal road cannot be safe, Nonsense. I believe everybody in this forum has ridden and does ride on a normal road. I, for one, plan to do it tomorrow. >who is also afraid to walk >his residential neighborhood without a gun, There may be someone who carries a gun when he walks at 3 AM, and there might be somebody who afraid to even have a gun in his home. and who is afraid to respond >to others who greet him on his segregated bike trail. I can't imagine anyone afraid to do that, but there might be someone who's afraid to ride in a bicycle sidepath. ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========