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From: jerry.friedman99@gmail.com (jerryfriedman)
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Subject: Re: Somewheres
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:25:55 +0000
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On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:12:52 +0000, jerryfriedman wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:26:42 +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
>
>> On 2024-09-02, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a natural tendency for languages to lose final syllables or
>>> final consonants?
>>
>> If you take the big picture view, the answer is certainly yes, but
>> the details vary wildly.
>>
>>> I can't think of any examples in Germanic languages,
>>
>> Take PGmc *hringaz > OE hring > PDE ring.
>>
>> Proto-Germanic *-az was the counterpart to the ubiquitous Latin
>> ending -us, Greek -os, but it was mostly lost in West Germanic.[1]
>> Much later, along the way from Old English [hrɪŋɡ] to Present Day
>> English [rɪŋ], final [g] after [ŋ] was lost.
>
> More recently, lots of final /r/s have been lost in some dialects
> of English, except before a vowel in the next word--a similar pattern
> to what happened in French, but it may not continue the same way.
> Loss of the final consonant in "of"

and "and"

> is much more widespread, and
> I'm not going to claim I always pronounce the first [t] in "first step"
> or the [d] in "second-best".
...

While my finger was clicking on "Send", my brain realized that the
final consonant of "an" has disappeared when not followed by a
vowel, and the final consonant of the determiner "mine" first
disappeared when not followed by a vowel, then completely.
"Thine" went through a similar process while it was mostly
disappearing".). And "I" used to have a final consonant.

Deletion of final consonants and vowels in a High German dialect
in this folk song as Brahms set it.

Da unten im Tale
Läuft's Wasser so trüb
Und i kann dir's nit sagen
I hab' di so lieb.

Sprichst allweil von Lieb'
Sprichst allweil von Treu'
Und a bissele Falschheit
Is au wohl dabei!

--
Jerry Friedman