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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: jerry.friedman99@gmail.com (jerryfriedman) Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,sci.lang Subject: Re: Somewheres Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:25:55 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <413fad492ea5f969e1cb56bf570b6c49@www.novabbs.com> References: <vatljd$mjf9$1@dont-email.me> <pan$446ac$ba5dac04$67ebf9e0$47ac5644@gmail.com> <vb0a62$170hl$1@dont-email.me> <pan$6cdcd$a1e57e8a$8ebe27ea$32af951f@gmail.com> <f5140de8d161885842798961deb38a46@www.novabbs.com> <m31q2260rz.fsf@leonis4.robolove.meer.net> <vb4ejj$2rvka$1@dont-email.me> <slrnvdc4bi.ddb.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de> <edabf711d308110e032139b1c7757679@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="634286"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="od9foDe1d3X505QGpqKrbB1j6F4qQM01CuXm1pRmyXk"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Posting-User: 3f4f6af5131500dbc63b269e6ae36b2af088a074 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$DwIJjMKsmCSSYgCGoN.m5.rsfCtaKQwtPgSUrXhyIWdK3RbKjj3bu X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3130 Lines: 54 On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 20:12:52 +0000, jerryfriedman wrote: > On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 19:26:42 +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > >> On 2024-09-02, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote: >> >>> Is there a natural tendency for languages to lose final syllables or >>> final consonants? >> >> If you take the big picture view, the answer is certainly yes, but >> the details vary wildly. >> >>> I can't think of any examples in Germanic languages, >> >> Take PGmc *hringaz > OE hring > PDE ring. >> >> Proto-Germanic *-az was the counterpart to the ubiquitous Latin >> ending -us, Greek -os, but it was mostly lost in West Germanic.[1] >> Much later, along the way from Old English [hrɪŋɡ] to Present Day >> English [rɪŋ], final [g] after [ŋ] was lost. > > More recently, lots of final /r/s have been lost in some dialects > of English, except before a vowel in the next word--a similar pattern > to what happened in French, but it may not continue the same way. > Loss of the final consonant in "of" and "and" > is much more widespread, and > I'm not going to claim I always pronounce the first [t] in "first step" > or the [d] in "second-best". ... While my finger was clicking on "Send", my brain realized that the final consonant of "an" has disappeared when not followed by a vowel, and the final consonant of the determiner "mine" first disappeared when not followed by a vowel, then completely. "Thine" went through a similar process while it was mostly disappearing".). And "I" used to have a final consonant. Deletion of final consonants and vowels in a High German dialect in this folk song as Brahms set it. Da unten im Tale Läuft's Wasser so trüb Und i kann dir's nit sagen I hab' di so lieb. Sprichst allweil von Lieb' Sprichst allweil von Treu' Und a bissele Falschheit Is au wohl dabei! -- Jerry Friedman