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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject: Re: Who here understands that the last paragraph is Necessarily true?
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 19:57:25 -0400
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On 7/17/24 10:20 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 7/17/2024 8:54 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>> Op 17.jul.2024 om 15:27 schreef olcott:
>>>
>>> HHH is not allowed to report on the behavior of it actual self
>>> in its own directly executed process. HHH is allowed to report on
>>> the effect of the behavior of the simulation of itself simulating DDD.
>>>
>>
>> But only on the effect of a correct simulation. 
> 
> _DDD()
> [00002163] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
> [00002164] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
> [00002166] 6863210000 push 00002163 ; push DDD
> [0000216b] e853f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DDD)
> [00002170] 83c404     add esp,+04
> [00002173] 5d         pop ebp
> [00002174] c3         ret
> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002174]
> 
> *THIS IS SELF EVIDENT THUS DISAGREEMENT IS INCORRECT*
> DDD emulated by any pure function HHH according to the
> semantic meaning of its x86 instructions never stops
> running unless aborted.
> 

It only seems self-evident to you because you lie to everyone, even 
yourself.

The DDD that HHH emulates, and then aborts and returns to its caller, 
will, because that establishes that the HHH that it calls will return to 
it, becomes a halting program.

You deceive yourself by confusing that observation by HHH through it 
PARTIAL emulation, that gives it only partial knowledge of the behavior 
of DDD for the actual behavior of that program.


This is just like your confusion of Knowledge and Truth, which destroys 
your logic system.