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From: -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
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Subject: Re: Wildfires in Jasper NP, Canada
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 08:23:27 +0100
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Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-07-29 19:42, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 7/29/2024 4:41 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-28 17:02, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 7/24/2024 2:22 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-24 11:21, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> Looks like Tom's trip might have some disruptions:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <https://apnews.com/article/wildfire-canada-jasper-national-park-evacuation-167dcc0e03984672584f9770799c2fb8>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Based on his political leanings, I'm sure Tom doesn't believe in 
>>>>> global warming.
>>>>> 
>>>>> :-)
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Global warming has been going on for a very long time. The data are 
>>>> irrefutable.
>>> 
>>> Love the careful phrasing there...
>>> 
>> 
>> Nothing careful, empirical data going back hundreds of millions of years 
>> show that climate warms after cold ice ages. In the past natural events 
>> like the Siberian Traps have had warming effects far more severe than 
>> the current recovery from the last ice ages. OTOH "Snowball Earth" +-600 
>> ma also had a devastating effect on life. The earth warmed and life 
>> recovered.
>> 
>> There is absolutely no doubt that atmospheric composition plays a role 
>> in climate.
> 
> More careful phrasing.
> 

Indeed.  There’s carefully nothing in there to note what role is played by
changes in the rate of change.

A lot of this is like the automotive mantra of “speed kills” .. it’s not
the speed per se, but the sudden stop at the end = rate of change.

-hh