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On 14 Jun 2025 16:37:57 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On 14 Jun 2025 15:46:00 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/2025 9:54 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 14 Jun 2025 13:30:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 21:41:37 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2025 11:22 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2025 11:12 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2025 8:07 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2025 5:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2025 3:46 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2025 3:23 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zen how are you doing after the car hit seems like riding inside.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As well as can be expected. PT and Orthopedist said indoor trainer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is fine, but stop if I feel any pain. Cracked ribs have healed, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder sprain is slow going (In the words of the ortho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Everything is where it should be and somehow nothing is broken,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you just crushed it). I passed the concussion protocol three days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after the hit (failed it a few hours after the hit). I have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rehab the MCL to a certain level before they'll schedule surgery
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the ACL - Then it's another 6-9 months of rehab. They're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking early august time frame for the surgery....maybe. IOW I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't be riding outside until next march at the earliest :( .
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, I'd forgotten all about that. Sorry to hear it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's been mentioned here before, but thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm curious about what happened.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> A pickup truck waited until I was just in front of him to accelerate
>>>>>>>>>> from a stop sign. I didn't even have time to hit the brakes. Garmin
>>>>>>>>>> shows me at about 23 mph at the time of impact.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.strava.com/activities/14315468852
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Again, sorry to hear it. There are some crashes that are just
>>>>>>>>> unavoidable, just as with driving, walking, etc. Fortunately, they are
>>>>>>>>> rare. Hope you heal quickly.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Really???   unavoidable crashes while walking?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In the US you?re seem to be the outlier regarding pedestrians deaths, ie
>>>>>>> other countries the trend to down.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> At any rate, those unavoidable crashes on bikes on streets and roads
>>>>>>>> are primary reason I don't ride there much any more.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It looks to be if any even more hostile for pedestrians in the US with wide
>>>>>>> junctions/roads and right turning traffic, and essentially missing
>>>>>>> pavement, aka infrastructure. Vs bikes which are faster and all that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hence I guess the walking and cycling rates, both usage and injuries. Which
>>>>>>> are trending down/up in direct opposite to UK/Europe etc.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've been involved in accidents while driving, and some while
>>>>>> bicycling, but I've never had even had a "close call" while walking.
>>>>>> Krygowski's comment about walking crashes" was because of his need to
>>>>>> rationalize Juniors accident. Truth is that walking "crashes" are most
>>>>>> likly to occur when the walker is walking where the law says he
>>>>>> shouldn't be walking.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Which is absolutely a car centric political move, aka car companies
>>>>> lobbying to have jaywalking law passed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That and other laws/design choices make walking a much less useable for
>>>>> utility, I?ve walked to get a few groceries then sat in cafe before
>>>>> returning home. All very easy, much easier than car or bike.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I?d assume that pedestrian deaths are kinda binary ie one is fine or not.
>>>> The timid Floridian is still paranoid about bicycling, and apparently 
>>>> ignorant of relevant data - or more likely, rejecting relevant data 
>>>> because it doesn't jibe with his world view. ("Reality is biased against 
>>>> the right wing.")
>>>> 
>>>> There are roughly 1000 bike fatalities per year in the U.S. vs. about 
>>>> 7000 pedestrian fatalities. Most sources say cycling is safer per mile 
>>>> traveled than pedestrian travel.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Indeed though considering how poorly provided for pedestrians seem to be in
>>> the US and that the rate is rising compared to other 1st world etc places,
>>> that?s a relatively low bar really!
>>> 
>>> Would seem a slight increase in rate. Which is broadly what one would
>>> expect I guess.
>>> 
>>> Absolutely it?s clearly not a high risk method of travel, though as ever
>>> risk and how comfortable it may feel are two different things.
>>> 
>>> Roger Merriman
>> 
>> As I said, most pedestrian accidents happen where the pedistrian is
>> not supposed to be, as dictated by law. Not so with bicycle accidents.
>> 
>> Obey the law, reduce the risk.
>> 
>And if your pedestrian crossing has right turning traffic etc, ie will have
>cars crossing as you are despite the sigh for you to go as US is very much
>about car design.
>
>Go for a walk about your neighbourhood and look really look at the
>pavements and crossings.
>
>Other places tend not to have jaywalking laws and have big bustling city’s
>and big roads but have lower fatalities rate and one that is getting lower
>US is the outlier in that it’s increasing.
>
>> --
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
>> 
>
>Roger Merriman

Like I said elsewhere, location and circumstance are relevant. Just
looking at total numbers and total miles traveled produces irrelevant
conclusions, that "some ignorant people" accept because it fits their
agenda.

--
C'est bon
Soloman