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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Final final 1kHz oscillator Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 21:18:30 +0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 760 Message-ID: <43ksjjhvjijp8q5k4p6h2r9va6u42ah31e@4ax.com> References: <vglt5t$30a3$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <t5fajjdteskfftvkf84iqsp2vc4b9ta5kj@4ax.com> <vh57l4$2knt$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <n7iijjdeqecl0kmub0bq5in0dbm60m7qam@4ax.com> <vhee22$10q2$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <vhibce$1t7v2$1@dont-email.me> <vhjfp8$2q8t$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <rdtqjj9cbj8od0a7p4e99jfa2nsgf663r0@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 22:18:36 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c23068e9762e247cf664c6ccef1fb5ce"; logging-data="304344"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+pu+lkYTtA9wPr6OiqYTDf" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:W6Pu1MUmVyu2QCw+P7XsTuV0Sl4= Bytes: 23299 On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 05:42:00 +0000, JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote: >On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 20:59:04 -0500, "Edward Rawde" ><invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >>"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:vhibce$1t7v2$1@dont-email.me... >>> On 18/11/2024 2:58 pm, Edward Rawde wrote: >>>> "JM" <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote in message news:n7iijjdeqecl0kmub0bq5in0dbm60m7qam@4ax.com... >>>>> On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 11:14:28 -0500, "Edward Rawde" >>>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "JM" <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote in message news:t5fajjdteskfftvkf84iqsp2vc4b9ta5kj@4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 15:43:41 -0500, "Edward Rawde" >>>>>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>> I've taken John May seriously, and reworked my phase shift oscillator to use three op amps, all with their non-inverting inputs >>> tied to ground. >>> >>> The results aren't all that impressive, the lower harmonics are about 65dB below the fundamental. Start-up is slow - it takes >>> about five seconds of simulation before the circuit settles down into steady state operation, and that after I dropped the >>> integrating capacitor from 6.8uF to 680nF. The nice thing about the circuit is that I can explain what each bit is doing. I can >>> see a few tweaks that might be worth trying. >>> >> >>The simulation died after 3 seconds, as if insufficient gain to sustain oscillation. >> >>You seem to have a lot of components. >>Are you sure you really need all those ferrites? >> >>Here's my really definitely final final offering. >> >>A comfortable 90dB down at 2kHz and > 100 dB elsewhere. >>Also looks clean either side of 1kHz. >>Whether or not this has anything to do with reality I do not know. >>The diode stabilizer string will be temperature dependent, >>requiring readjustment of R4 and a total of three adjustments are needed. >>Only three op amps (two packages) are needed. >> >>Version 4 >>SHEET 1 2196 932 >>WIRE -64 -672 -96 -672 >>WIRE 48 -672 0 -672 >>WIRE -96 -576 -96 -672 >>WIRE -64 -576 -96 -576 >>WIRE 48 -576 48 -672 >>WIRE 48 -576 16 -576 >>WIRE 128 -528 112 -528 >>WIRE 208 -528 192 -528 >>WIRE 288 -528 272 -528 >>WIRE 368 -528 352 -528 >>WIRE 448 -528 432 -528 >>WIRE 528 -528 512 -528 >>WIRE 640 -528 592 -528 >>WIRE 640 -512 640 -528 >>WIRE -32 -464 -32 -480 >>WIRE 48 -448 48 -576 >>WIRE 48 -448 0 -448 >>WIRE -96 -432 -96 -576 >>WIRE -64 -432 -96 -432 >>WIRE 112 -416 112 -528 >>WIRE 112 -416 0 -416 >>WIRE 160 -416 112 -416 >>WIRE 208 -416 160 -416 >>WIRE 336 -416 288 -416 >>WIRE 400 -416 336 -416 >>WIRE 512 -416 400 -416 >>WIRE 624 -416 512 -416 >>WIRE -96 -384 -96 -432 >>WIRE -32 -384 -32 -400 >>WIRE 48 -368 48 -448 >>WIRE 336 -368 336 -416 >>WIRE 160 -352 160 -416 >>WIRE 400 -352 400 -416 >>WIRE 512 -288 512 -416 >>WIRE 624 -288 624 -416 >>WIRE -96 -272 -96 -304 >>WIRE -96 -272 -192 -272 >>WIRE -96 -240 -96 -272 >>WIRE 48 -240 48 -288 >>WIRE 160 -240 160 -288 >>WIRE 336 -240 336 -288 >>WIRE 400 -240 400 -288 >>WIRE -192 -176 -192 -272 >>WIRE -224 -128 -256 -128 >>WIRE -96 -128 -96 -160 >>WIRE -96 -128 -128 -128 >>WIRE -80 -128 -96 -128 >>WIRE 16 -128 -80 -128 >>WIRE 176 -128 96 -128 >>WIRE 288 -128 176 -128 >>WIRE 512 -128 512 -224 >>WIRE 512 -128 368 -128 >>WIRE -256 -48 -256 -128 >>WIRE -208 -48 -256 -48 >>WIRE -80 -48 -80 -128 >>WIRE -80 -48 -128 -48 >>WIRE 176 -16 176 -128 >>WIRE 176 -16 64 -16 >>WIRE 240 -16 176 -16 >>WIRE 368 -16 320 -16 >>WIRE 512 -16 512 -128 >>WIRE 512 -16 448 -16 >>WIRE -256 0 -256 -48 >>WIRE 144 48 144 32 >>WIRE 64 96 64 -16 >>WIRE 112 96 64 96 >>WIRE 512 96 512 -16 >>WIRE 512 96 272 96 >>WIRE -32 128 -96 128 >>WIRE 112 128 -32 128 >>WIRE 624 144 624 -224 >>WIRE 656 144 624 144 >>WIRE 752 144 720 144 >>WIRE -320 160 -400 160 >>WIRE -256 160 -320 160 >>WIRE -32 160 -32 128 >>WIRE 112 160 64 160 >>WIRE 624 160 624 144 >>WIRE 624 160 272 160 >>WIRE 752 176 752 144 >>WIRE -400 208 -400 160 >>WIRE -256 224 -256 160 >>WIRE 144 224 144 208 >>WIRE -32 256 -32 224 >>WIRE 64 272 64 160 >>WIRE 160 272 64 272 >>WIRE 288 272 160 272 >>WIRE 400 272 352 272 >>WIRE 512 272 512 96 >>WIRE 512 272 480 272 >>WIRE 64 288 64 272 >>WIRE 160 288 160 272 >>WIRE 752 288 752 256 >>WIRE 880 288 752 288 >>WIRE 928 288 880 288 >>WIRE 928 320 928 288 >>WIRE -96 336 -96 128 >>WIRE -400 384 -400 288 >>WIRE -400 384 -480 384 >>WIRE 64 384 64 368 >>WIRE 160 384 160 352 >>WIRE 160 384 64 384 >>WIRE -480 400 -480 384 >>WIRE -400 400 -400 384 >>WIRE -256 400 -256 288 >>WIRE -256 400 -400 400 >>WIRE 64 416 64 384 >>WIRE 208 432 128 432 >>WIRE 320 432 288 432 >>WIRE 432 432 384 432 >>WIRE 928 432 928 400 >>WIRE 512 448 512 272 >>WIRE 624 448 624 160 >>WIRE -400 480 -400 400 >>WIRE -256 496 -256 400 >>WIRE 288 544 288 528 >>WIRE 432 560 432 432 >>WIRE 432 560 320 560 >>WIRE 624 560 624 512 >>WIRE 624 560 432 560 >>WIRE -96 576 -96 416 >>WIRE -48 576 -96 576 >>WIRE 0 576 -48 576 >>WIRE 128 576 128 432 >>WIRE 128 576 80 576 >>WIRE 192 576 128 576 >>WIRE 256 576 192 576 >>WIRE 432 592 320 592 >>WIRE 512 592 512 512 >>WIRE 512 592 432 592 >>WIRE 624 592 624 560 >>WIRE 704 592 624 592 >>WIRE -96 624 -96 576 >>WIRE -48 624 -48 576 >>WIRE 288 624 288 608 >>WIRE 512 624 512 592 >>WIRE 704 624 704 592 >>WIRE 432 640 432 592 >>WIRE 624 640 624 592 >>WIRE -400 656 -400 560 ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========