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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2024 20:03:21 -0500 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <44128d2f02b2dae14b5253d3773eae3fa3f4a296@i2pn2.org> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vg7vgh$csek$1@dont-email.me> <vg8911$dvd6$1@dont-email.me> <vjgvpc$3bb3f$1@dont-email.me> <vjh28r$3b6vi$4@dont-email.me> <vjjfmj$3tuuh$1@dont-email.me> <vjjgds$3tvsg$2@dont-email.me> <539edbdf516d69a3f1207687b802be7a86bd3b48@i2pn2.org> <vjk97t$1tms$1@dont-email.me> <vjmc7h$hl7j$1@dont-email.me> <vjmd6c$hn65$2@dont-email.me> <vjosno$12p56$1@dont-email.me> <vjp0lf$13ar5$1@dont-email.me> <vjrtdm$1ogn3$1@dont-email.me> <vjsjl4$1sk3l$1@dont-email.me> <vju7rp$28h2b$1@dont-email.me> <vjubd8$294ii$1@dont-email.me> <vk0t9g$2qp57$1@dont-email.me> <vk1f5v$2srst$3@dont-email.me> <9c5b577e71162d62b2fbc7dc7a2f150ccd64be96@i2pn2.org> <vk406s$3g84i$1@dont-email.me> <0618fe27d0087902842065e621897ad28a32fa29@i2pn2.org> <vk673f$f52$1@dont-email.me> <b7f65e76b3baec9e8d834ea3dfd07155db12c36c@i2pn2.org> <vk7cjk$7mh2$1@dont-email.me> <6d10e2559787f4dec18c0004b1b13ce41a04fbdf@i2pn2.org> <vk99pn$lsd3$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 01:03:21 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="4189344"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <vk99pn$lsd3$1@dont-email.me> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3285 Lines: 43 On 12/22/24 10:04 AM, WM wrote: > On 22.12.2024 13:28, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 12/21/24 4:40 PM, WM wrote: > >>> The reason is that after every visible unit fraction there are more >>> visible unit fractions created. That is potential infinity. You can't >>> understand that matter. >> >> No, they are not "created" they have always been there, they just >> haven't been enumerated/discovered yet. > > Why haven't they? Because you just haven't had time to discover it, because you are a finite entity. A finite universe can only describe a finite number of finite number, but the mathematical set of the natural numbers goes beyond that. >>>> The numbers didn't just show up, they were always there and we >>>> didn't do anything that prohibited it from stopping at any of them. >>> >>> They were dark. >> >> No, you just didn't see them because your logic closes its eyes and >> lies to you. > > Then show me a unit fraction that you see for the first time when going > from 0 to 1 which has no smaller unit fractions that you hadn't > discovered before. > But the question isn't "hadn't discovered befor" but which exists. An there isn't a "first" unit fraction on the line from that end, because the set is unbounded, so asking about where something that doesn't exist would be is just an invalid question. > Regards, WM >