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From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Helmet efficacy test
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On 21 Apr 2025 09:14:04 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On 19 Apr 2025 22:22:34 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>> On 19 Apr 2025 18:24:57 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 19 Apr 2025 14:17:02 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 19 Apr 2025 11:21:48 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 04:28:32 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 23:02:10 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/18/2025 8:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm "Free speech scares some people"? I don't know about "scares" but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frankie's free speech calling you a coward certainly set you off.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, it happened before that! Our timid tricycle rider entered his 
>>>>>>>>>>>> permanent snit before I ever used the word "coward."
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> He was highly offended when I suggested he lacked the courage or 
>>>>>>>>>>>> competence to ride normal roads, and that his back-and-forth path riding 
>>>>>>>>>>>> might be OK for him, but too boring for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember, my statement was in response to a guy who said there was no 
>>>>>>>>>>>> way riding near cars could be safe; and who can't even summon the nerve 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to ride an empty suburban bike trail without having deadly weaponry 
>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately at hand, chambered and ready to fire.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not seeing any evidence of courage there.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> <LOL> As if a wussie like you would know what courage is all about. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, what pissed me off was before that when Krygowski bragged by
>>>>>>>>>>> posting a list of ineffective thing's that I was supposed to believe
>>>>>>>>>>> he'd done and demanded that I list, in detail, all of my bicycling
>>>>>>>>>>> experiences...
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> "How much recreational riding have you done on roads? How many years
>>>>>>>>>>> commuting to work by bike on normal roads? How much other utility
>>>>>>>>>>> riding have you done on ordinary roads? How much overnight or longer
>>>>>>>>>>> traveling have you done on normal roads? How much bike camping? How
>>>>>>>>>>> many U.S. states have you ridden in? How many foreign countries? How
>>>>>>>>>>> many century rides have you done? How many rides longer than 100 miles
>>>>>>>>>>> in one day? How many times have you organized and led friends on road
>>>>>>>>>>> rides? How many times have you organized and run multi-hundred rider
>>>>>>>>>>> event rides on normal roads?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Answer in detail, please. That will allow us to gauge whether your
>>>>>>>>>>> courage and experience really are more than mine."
>>>>>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qVoI4KQlAQAJ
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> That posting told me exactly what kind of a person he was. He was
>>>>>>>>>>> going to show the new guy that he was to be respected or else. I
>>>>>>>>>>> called his bluff and now he hides from me knowing that whatever he
>>>>>>>>>>> posts about me results in more humiliation from me.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> He actually thought that riding on a group bicycle ride was an
>>>>>>>>>>> accompishment.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> His claims to fame are rather Self-Grandizing. 
>>>>>>>>>> For example.  "How many foreign countries?" I've ridden a number of
>>>>>>>>>> countries outside the U.S.(one a war zone) and I can assure you that
>>>>>>>>>> other then which side of the road to ride in I saw essentially no
>>>>>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Really? Quite different cycling experience just locally and further afield.
>>>>>>>>> As folks expectations differ.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> As for his other claims to fame... while he obviously feels proud, it
>>>>>>>>>> appears from his writing that it is much a matter of "self
>>>>>>>>>> gratification" and even yet more proof of his Narcissistic personality
>>>>>>>>>> as those that suffer from this mental disorder have an unreasonably
>>>>>>>>>> high sense of their own importance. They need and seek attention and
>>>>>>>>>> want people to admire them. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> He might at worse overstate his experience ie difference between being a
>>>>>>>>> tourist and living in an area even if only for a year or so.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I can't see that it matters much as to what country you ride your
>>>>>>>> bicycle in. You mighrt have to know the different laws, but that's
>>>>>>>> easy to do.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The laws are generally fairly uniform and the laws generally are broadly
>>>>>>> similar.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It?s more cultural sort of stuff, ie what people expect.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't need a bicycle to do that. Actually, I believe a bicycle would
>>>>>> be a hindrance when touring someplace I'd never been before. They move
>>>>>> either too fast or too slow. Too fast to interact with people, and too
>>>>>> slow to move from place to place.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bikes are absolutely not too fast to interact with people, depending on the
>>>>> ride I?d have a possibility of encountering dog or otherwise walkers, Horse
>>>>> riders, other cyclists.
>>>> 
>>>> And you stop and talk to them just the same as if you were just
>>>> walking?  I don't.. I doubt you do either..
>>> 
>>> At the speeds i meeting folks on the trails it?s really not needed, these
>>> are just minor good mornings, nice dog/horse/child interaction not setting
>>> the world to rights over a drink!
>>> 
>>> Bikes are the fastest thing often and well I?ll need to not blast past
>>> dogs/kids/horses.
>>>> 
>>>>> Yes I?m unlikely to chat to someone as a plummet of the side of hill, but
>>>>> it?s quite likely that I?d chat if very briefly at some point on the ride
>>>>> unless it?s a one of the MTB rides into the hills ie remote areas.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe bike touring doesn?t appeal? Fine but clearly bikes are kinda human
>>>>> level travel.
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I've done a lot of walking around in Caribbean countries. I met and
>>>> talked to a lot of people. When I was sailing, I had a bicycle along
>>>> with me, but it was only useful for transpiration. When I wanted to go
>>>> out and about and meet the locals, which I was eager to do, I went for
>>>> walks. My meager high school and college level Spanish improved
>>>> dramatically on those walks.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> C'est bon
>>>> Soloman
>>>> 
>>> Roger Merriman
>>> 
>> 
>> When I'm in a different culture I like to get involved in that
>> culture, far away from the tourist traps. I want to ask questions and
>> talk about our different cultures, food, and lifestyles. That can't be
>> done with a simple good morning. That can't be done when you're riding
>> around on a bicycle.
>> 
>
>A) as with most tourists traps, there is often if not always the locals
>cafe/bars etc just around the corner if one is remotely observant.
>
>B) which ever mode of travel one assumes to talk in a more expanded manner,
>probably does require stopping which can be done by most forms of travel
>though bike/hiking etc are much more human level of interaction.
>> --
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
>> 
>Roger Merriman
>
The problem with the Local's Pub or Restaurant is that in many cases
they don't speak your language (:-)

-- 
Cheers,

John B.