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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Computer architects leaving Intel... Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2024 01:49:12 +0000 Organization: Rocksolid Light Message-ID: <449bddee3cdf447ac03ff0cc4501db63@www.novabbs.org> References: <vajo7i$2s028$1@dont-email.me> <memo.20240827205925.19028i@jgd.cix.co.uk> <valki8$35fk2$1@dont-email.me> <2644ef96e12b369c5fce9231bfc8030d@www.novabbs.org> <vam5qo$3bb7o$1@dont-email.me> <2f1a154a34f72709b0a23ac8e750b02b@www.novabbs.org> <vaoqcf$3r1u3$1@dont-email.me> <vavgq7$12u29$1@dont-email.me> <vb002r$156ge$1@dont-email.me> <vb7stc$3fn7b$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="775322"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="65wTazMNTleAJDh/pRqmKE7ADni/0wesT78+pyiDW8A"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: ac58ceb75ea22753186dae54d967fed894c3dce8 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$NSqjGP2aL4imvDvbbx0E4.HVVHqUEx61Vt5.ErKcoefpKijcjDC6. Bytes: 2238 Lines: 21 On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 21:02:16 +0000, Paul A. Clayton wrote: > On 8/31/24 4:56 PM, BGB wrote: > [snip] >> I was mostly doing dual-issue with a 4R2W design. >> >> Initially, 6R3W won out mostly because 4R2W disallows an indexed >> store to be run in parallel with another op; but 6R3W did allow >> this. > > Stores and MADD allow one register read to be delayed by at least > one cycle. If the following cycle had a free read port, that could > be stolen to complete the store/MADD. This could be viewed as > cracking a three-source operation into a two-source operation and > a one-source operation that reads source operands in a following > cycle except that this operation never uses a result from the > previous cycle. Stores are allowed to delay the St.Data read until after retirement. Thus, you are guaranteed that the cache line is present, that the cache is in a hit state, and that the TLB has translated the address, And finally, you need no forwarding on that read.