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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:05:24 -0500 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <4588f439c2cf659f139ac382988bee502f6374cb@i2pn2.org> References: <vhdd32$oq0l$1@dont-email.me> <286747edde7812d05b1bdf4f59af1cffdd44e95a@i2pn2.org> <vhdktc$qirt$1@dont-email.me> <e3fe85b499b799f440d722c0433bab69edf2e289@i2pn2.org> <vhe661$tuln$1@dont-email.me> <cbd95d14a4b405724f145aa6144898bdfd3975ce@i2pn2.org> <vhe95v$ue1m$1@dont-email.me> <779e20cb36e226d2d3515fb62c5c8fa7b8e22d05@i2pn2.org> <vhfgks$18unc$1@dont-email.me> <f1c860093e9a1b497d3c335625330cd13936a054@i2pn2.org> <vhg1il$1cfbe$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:05:24 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3083266"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vhg1il$1cfbe$1@dont-email.me> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3328 Lines: 50 On 11/18/24 1:38 PM, olcott wrote: > On 11/18/2024 8:56 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 11/18/24 8:49 AM, olcott wrote: >>> On 11/18/2024 3:19 AM, joes wrote: >>>> Am Sun, 17 Nov 2024 20:35:43 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>>> On 11/17/2024 8:26 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 11/17/24 8:44 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/17/2024 4:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/17/24 3:49 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2024 1:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/24 1:36 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> I referred to every element of an infinite set of encodings of >>>>>>>>> HHH. >>>> >>>> Do you mean they are parameterised by the number of steps they >>>> simulate? >>>> >>> >>> No I do not mean that. >> >> Then your arguement is based on an equivocation. >> >>> Whether or not DDD emulated by HHH ever reaches its >>> own "return" instruction final halt state has nothing >>> to do with any of the internal working of HHH as long >>> as each HHH emulates N steps of its input according >>> to the semantics of the x86 language. >> >> Except that the behavior DOES depend on if that HHH returns. >> >> Of course, your subjective, non-semantic property of "emulated by HHH" >> is just a meaningless term, so doesn't really mean anything, so your >> statement is just nonsense anyway. >> > > You are a damned liar trying to get away with lying about > the effect of the pathological relationship that DDD specifies. > > Nope, you are a just a damned liar making claims without any form of actual logic behind them. Do you have ANY source that backs your claims about what you claim? (Not you). Note. the "pathological relationship" has absolutely ZERO affect on the OBJECTIVE QUESTION that is in the problem, it only breaks your SUBJECTIVE, non-semantic, gobbledygook that you are trying to describe.