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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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On 28 Apr 2025 22:02:02 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On 28 Apr 2025 16:47:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>> On 28 Apr 2025 08:57:30 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/27/2025 2:32 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 09:47:23 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> He did dump the slushbox for an actual gearbox, which is nice.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yep.  I looked around for a stick shift model.  Except for my first
>>>>>>> car, all have been stick shifts.  Driving an automatic makes me feel
>>>>>>> like I'm the passenger instead of the driver.  With a stick shift, I'm
>>>>>>> part of the machine.  If I live long enough to need a new car, it will
>>>>>>> probably be another stick shift.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I got in a conversation with a Tesla owner last week. He proudly showed 
>>>>>> me a video shot from his driver's seat showing the car self-driving from 
>>>>>> his garage to a coffee shop. The ultimate non-driving experience!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Arguably Teslas are very much the IT company idea of car, folks who want to
>>>>> experience driving aren?t likely to be their customers, lane assist seems
>>>>> to help on motorways and similar.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I?m unconvinced that self driving will fully get there I?m told that Tesla
>>>>> isn?t the best in this category.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've never owned a car with automatic transmission. Of course, my 
>>>>>> current EV has only one fixed ratio reduction gear, so I've moved beyond 
>>>>>> playing with multiple ratios. Just step on the gas ... no, throttle ... 
>>>>>> no, accelerator, and it goes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Half of my bikes are friction shifting, which is a vaguely similar issue 
>>>>>> for discussion.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> I?d say that be more fixed bikes which are more into ?feel the force Luke?
>>>>> in that they do feel very different and connected, vs index or fixed
>>>>> shifting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps the clutch and stick shifts are better for noisy acceleration
>>>> with squealing tires, but I outgrew that long ago. On the other hand,
>>>> for driving in heavy stop and go traffic I favor the automatic
>>>> transmission. As for preference, it's not a factor my wife and I would
>>>> even contemplate when buying a vehicle since we both are comfortable
>>>> with either one.
>>> 
>>> For my uses though my car is an automatic, which aren?t that common in the
>>> uk, but does make for an easy comfortable car, which is kinda of its
>>> purpose.
>>> 
>>> I?d say a EV is likely to be the easiest in stop start traffic, as doesn?t
>>> need to shift.
>>> 
>>> I marginally would like a manual for more engine braking when in Wales as
>>> they do steep, but the Volvos have much more impressive brakes than cars or
>>> old so seems to be non issue.
>>> 
>>> Related the gorge I grew up in, used to see lorries in the sand pit often
>>> on fire as they had cooked the brakes, doesn?t seem to be a thing now.
>>>> 
>>>> As for shifting on a bicycle, it's strictly personal preference and
>>>> not worth discussing.
>>>> 
>>> I disagree this being a bike tech group well worth discussion even if it is
>>> just preference.
>>>> --
>>>> C'est bon
>>>> Soloman
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Roger Merriman
>> 
>> Very few, perhaps, no-one is going to change their minds about their
>> bicycling preferences in a forum of old, long-time bicyclists. Arguing
>> that "my way" is better than "your way" is irritating.
>> 
>> --
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
>> 
>
>I don’t think anyone is trying to change folks opinion or habits, but might
>share experience and knowledge on different technologies, you’re definitely
>over thinking this.
>
>Roger Merriman

When I see someone say, "lets discuss something," it generally means
"I disagree with you and I want to argue with you about it." At some
point in the "discussion," the person who initiated the discussion
will likely challenge the other guy to defend his preferences. 

I'm not interested in discussing (arguing) because I'm not susceptible
to be influenced nor have I interest in changing anyone else's mind.
 

--
C'est bon
Soloman