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Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==0 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 11:11:26 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <4663b9f22ece1a49cf1cacd96fc396e59f8caf03@i2pn2.org> References: <105bdps$1g61u$1@dont-email.me> <105c0lk$1k7ip$1@dont-email.me> <105c22v$1k9r9$3@dont-email.me> <105c5rt$1l4j7$1@dont-email.me> <105cddu$1r7mi$1@dont-email.me> <35481692c9b805cd713086659451ee8a456d3d16@i2pn2.org> <105gase$2pk90$3@dont-email.me> <4750857dbcb68380c00c2cc2752cf3371ef6ae02@i2pn2.org> <105gr3s$2t8jc$1@dont-email.me> <76de7d874ac75cb915c86b297191c6ed4fbedfdf.camel@gmail.com> <105gsoi$2tpa1$1@dont-email.me> <17740847a5bfd02e85e6719fee698afe69be5384.camel@gmail.com> <105gtiv$2tpa1$3@dont-email.me> <49f9dd439d01ac56217e009870ee94417854c1e2.camel@gmail.com> <105gvt6$2ucst$1@dont-email.me> <348a6bbcb4c47d88ce91c23e43d81ec19fdd4fc4.camel@gmail.com> <105h1ar$2uj5e$1@dont-email.me> <e15bb09de743ab0b82587d9e2e1349e409b7458b.camel@gmail.com> <105h35a$2uujj$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2025 11:11:26 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1438577"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Am Sat, 19 Jul 2025 16:36:42 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 7/19/2025 4:26 PM, wij wrote: >> On Sat, 2025-07-19 at 16:05 -0500, olcott wrote: >>> DD correctly simulated by HHH cannot reach past the "if" statement >>> thus cannot reach the "return" statement. >> >> That is roughly what HP proof says. >> > Not at all. The HP proof claims that DD correctly simulated by HHH > reaches the self-contradictory part of DD and thus forms a > contradiction. No. It proves that the direct execution reaches the part that contra- dicts HHH's return value. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.